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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?


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Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all

is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all

Kind of weighted the poll choices there, J. Might as well have added "because you're a homophobic douchebag" to the second option. :lol:
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?

It's recognized in caselaw.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

I'd be more confident this was the case if there weren't already recently decided cases saying that florists and cake shops cannot refuse to serve same sex weddings, even on religious beliefs. Apparently their first amendment rights doen't really mean much. What guarantee is there that the same line of reasoning will not be applied to churches?

Guess even just asking that makes me a conspiricy nut huh? :lol:
 
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re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Might as well have added "because you're a homophobic douchebag" to the second option.

Is there some other kind of person who opposes gay rights?

That's a rhetorical question. The answer is no.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

It's recognized in caselaw.

Are illegal alien homosexuals who were married in Mexico before illegally crossing the US border recognized in case law as well?
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

i'd be more confident this was the case if there weren't already recently decided cases saying that florists and cake shops cannot refuse to serve same sex weddings, even on religious beliefs. Apparently their first amendment rights doen't really mean much. What guarantee is there that the same line of reasoning will not be applied to churches?

Guess even just asking that makes me a conspiricy nut huh? :roll:

Won't somebody please THINK OF THE FLORISTS??
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Is there some other kind of person who opposes gay rights?

That's a rhetorical question. The answer is no.

I know that there are a lot of illegal Mexican immigrant males that are super machismo... is there a secret layer of homophbia there as well?
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Flamers should have the same right to marry as heterosexual screw-ups do...
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Won't somebody please THINK OF THE FLORISTS??

Yeah, I think of the peoples rights when discussing government action. Something you clearly forgot about along the way.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Is there some other kind of person who opposes gay rights?

That's a rhetorical question. The answer is no.

For most people who are in opposition, it is a matter of sincerely held religious beliefs. You might have difficulty understanding that since most of your positions do not seem all that sincere.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

For most people who are in opposition, it is a matter of sincerely held religious beliefs. You might have difficulty understanding that since most of your positions do not seem all that sincere.

No, I have no doubt that opponents of gay rights are sincere in their bigotry.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Won't somebody please THINK OF THE FLORISTS??

What an impressive display of completely missing the point. :lol:
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

It's recognized in caselaw.
I've looked only thing I have found is equal treatment under the law but nothing saying marriage is a right granted under the law
so until some one can give a link showing there is a law giving the right to marriage this thread is pointless
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

It's recognized in caselaw.

Which wouldn't really apply here since it has nothing to do with legal marriage. The only reason they should get equal treatment according to existing law is due to the fourteenth amendment. Otherwise, there is no reason to expand legal marriage, but only reason to eliminate the legal aspect. :shrug:
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I've looked only thing I have found is equal treatment under the law but nothing saying marriage is a right granted under the law

It's out there. Look at Loving v. Virginia, for example.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Which wouldn't really apply here since it has nothing to do with legal marriage. The only reason they should get equal treatment according to existing law is due to the fourteenth amendment. Otherwise, there is no reason to expand legal marriage, but only reason to eliminate the legal aspect. :shrug:

I agree that all legal recognition of marriage should be abolished, but that wasn't one of the options.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?

WOW

thank you for making a completely failed post so fast, i thought it go at least to page two

translation: you are deflecting and cant read the OP
also the fact is there are currently laws and case precedence court rulings that make marriage and gay marriage a right.
SCOTUS as determined it to be a right 14 times.

now instead of deflecting, going off topic and ignoring facts feel free to vote or continue exposing your failed post.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Kind of weighted the poll choices there, J. Might as well have added "because you're a homophobic douchebag" to the second option. :lol:

lol not weighted at all, they are actually REALITY based but i admit thats ONLY true because i have 3 options.

If i would have left off the third then yes it would haave been weighted and YOUR title for option number too would be spot on in that case ;)
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

No, I have no doubt that opponents of gay rights are sincere in their bigotry.

Beyond the marriage situation what rights are we talking about?
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Beyond the marriage situation what rights are we talking about?

Adoption is a big one.
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Yeah, I think of the peoples rights when discussing government action. Something you clearly forgot about along the way.

Obviously you understood my point so I'll address this to you. I've seen it said a number of times that people opposed to gay marriage should simply not participate in one (which, btw, I think is a fair statement). How is it justifiable to then support actually legally forcing someone who doesn't want to, to participate?
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Adoption is a big one.

They already have that protected, don't they?
 
re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

lol not weighted at all, they are actually REALITY based but i admit thats ONLY true because i have 3 options.

If i would have left off the third then yes it would haave been weighted and YOUR title for option number too would be spot on in that case ;)

How did adding the third option change what you implied in the second?
 
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