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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Marriage is not a right. So your poll is skewed.

The SCOTUS has declared marriage is a right several times in the past.

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

But along with that, equal protection of the laws is a right so as long as marriage in some form exists, then the right to enter into a marriage with the person of your choosing, which the government cannot show a legitimate state interest is served in restricting, also exists.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Find it in the constitution.

14th Amendment, Equal Protection Clause, 5th Amendment, Due Process Clause

The SCOTUS has ruled on this many times.

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

"Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause."

Oh and let us not forget the 9th Amendment which specifically states that states that rights do not have to be specifically stated in the Constitution to be retained by the people.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Find it in the constitution.

I'm looking for how you drew your conclusion. What do you think constitutes a right? And if not a right, what do you define marriage as?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Yet, at least. I'm not even sure what side of this issue you're on. I just think this is an interesting perspective on the debate I haven't heard yet, and am glad that at least one person isn't beating a dead horse on this thread.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I'm looking for how you drew your conclusion. What do you think constitutes a right? And if not a right, what do you define marriage as?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Yet, at least. I'm not even sure what side of this issue you're on. I just think this is an interesting perspective on the debate I haven't heard yet, and am glad that at least one person isn't beating a dead horse on this thread.
I was pretty clear before, marriage is a one man and one woman. Period.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

14th Amendment, Equal Protection Clause, 5th Amendment, Due Process Clause

The SCOTUS has ruled on this many times.

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

"Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause."

Oh and let us not forget the 9th Amendment which specifically states that states that rights do not have to be specifically stated in the Constitution to be retained by the people.
Where does it say same sex marriage specifically?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Where does it say same sex marriage specifically?

Where does it say interracial marriages specifically? Where does it say inmates can get married specifically?

Oh, did you miss that last one, the 9th Amendment, which specifically states that rights do not have to be specifically mentioned in the Constitution to be considered rights?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I was pretty clear before, marriage is a one man and one woman. Period.

Sorry, didn't want to backlog through 554 posts. What a lot of people on the forum have been pointing out recently is that one of the major perks to marriage is that it simplifies possible complications to inheritance and childcare in the case of a parent's death. What's your response that argument?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Marriage is not a right. So your poll is skewed.

your statement is factually wrong.
sorry marriage is a right, this fact will not change


but you are right the poll is skewed, thats why i said "fantasy" because there should NEVER be a vote on rights like these. Thats is exactly why the fed is stepping in and fixing it because the state had no right to do what it did and overstepped its power.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Sorry, didn't want to backlog through 554 posts. What a lot of people on the forum have been pointing out recently is that one of the major perks to marriage is that it simplifies possible complications to inheritance and childcare in the case of a parent's death. What's your response that argument?
You still don't understand, it was written for man woman marriages.
Gays can do legal things like trusts and wills just like anyone. That should be good enough.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

You still don't understand, it was written for man woman marriages.
Gays can do legal things like trusts and wills just like anyone. That should be good enough.

Men and women within our laws are treated equally so there is no legitimate reason why a man cannot be a legal spouse for another man or why a woman cannot be a legal spouse for another woman. It has been happening with no real issues for even longer than DOMA has gone down since years before Mass. even legalized same sex marriage we have had people legally change their sex and they were married to someone prior to that legal change, making them then a person of the same sex legally married to their spouse under the law.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Find it in the constitution.

this is always a failed argument

I cant find anything specifically in there about women having the right to be free from rape either? guess thats not a right LOL
your strawman fails
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

You still don't understand, it was written for man woman marriages.
Gays can do legal things like trusts and wills just like anyone. That should be good enough.


I'm assuming that your opposition to gay marriage comes from a religious perspective? As America does not use religion as a basis for law, how can you argue against gay marriage from a secular perspective?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I was pretty clear before, marriage is a one man and one woman. Period.

you are free to have that meanignless opinion and the great thing about rights and freedom, gays being granted equal rights wont effect your freedom to have your opinion. You get to keep it. Its a shame your views dont value that though.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

You still don't understand, it was written for man woman marriages.
Gays can do legal things like trusts and wills just like anyone. That should be good enough.

why would non-equal rights be good enough thats silly
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

you are free to have that meanignless opinion and the great thing about rights and freedom, gays being granted equal rights wont effect your freedom to have your opinion. You get to keep it. Its a shame your views dont value that though.

Oh, so my opinion is meaningless. OK, so is yours.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

If we could take the vibe on this thread and put it in a bottle, we would have an incredibly deadly poison.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Oh, so my opinion is meaningless. OK, so is yours.

Your opinion itself isn't meaningless in general. But when it comes to the law, you need more than simply opinion to back you up. You need either a) to be able to prove an actual state interest furthered by a restriction or b) have enough support to be able to amend the US Constitution.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Oh, so my opinion is meaningless. OK, so is yours.

yes your opinion about marriage being man and woman only

and yes i agree any opinions i have are meaningless to facts and rights, can you qoute me giving you any of my opinions to you about equal rights?

oh thats right i ddint lol only facts and pointed out the fallacies of your posts.

Like I said its a shame your views dont value equal rights and freedom
 
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

If we could take the vibe on this thread and put it in a bottle, we would have an incredibly deadly poison.

the vibe in thie thread isnt posin at all, the vast majority support, understand and want equal rights. thats AWESOME!

the very small minority view (the real poison) do not and thier bigotry and or opposition to equal rights doesnt really matter because equal rights is w
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

yes your opinion about marriage being man and woman only

and yes i agree any opinion i have are meaningless to facts and rights, can you qoute me giving you any of my opinions to you?

oh thats right i ddint lol only facts and pointed out the fallacies of your posts.

Like I said its a shame your views dont value equal rights and freedom
No shame at all, marriage is a man and a woman. Period not exceptions. Anything else is a joke.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

No shame at all, marriage is a man and a woman. Period not exceptions. Anything else is a joke.

like i said you are free to have that meaningless opinion but thats all it will ever be. Facts and the law prove otherwise though.

also thank you for proving you dont value equal rights and freedom and yes you are correct your view is a joke thats why nobody honest and educated that cares about equal rights takes it seriously.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

No shame at all, marriage is a man and a woman. Period not exceptions. Anything else is a joke.

Personal opinion that has no place in our legal system or laws because it isn't supported by anything but your opinion, which is not good enough for laws.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I would immediately marry the first Texas man I saw.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

You still don't understand, it was written for man woman marriages.
Gays can do legal things like trusts and wills just like anyone. That should be good enough.

Why should they have to pay extra for legal services that are accorded automatically to straight marriages?

That is discrimination right there.
 
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