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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Coin said:
1.)simple, they can't make the mother. Isn't that enough?
2.)Can you prove they can?
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1.) no because a mother isnt needed nor a right
2.) dont need to, see 1#

i will ask again "do you have anything factual as to why gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt?"
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Coin said:
it is related because a male can never make the mother as well as a female can never make the father.
They differ not only from body skin but from the character as well.
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So far as I am aware, there is nothing inherent to one gender or the other that is an essential part of child-rearing.

Sure, a kid raised by a gay couple won't have the same experience a kid raised by a hetero couple would have, but that doesn't mean it's an unacceptable situation.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Coin said:
Assume you are the govern. (the system)

Every person in this world have the right to have a father and a mother.
You give the right to a gay or lesbian couple to adopt a child.
For example the kid is 5 years old. After 10 years old the kid is 15 and he find himself without the mother (gay couple) or the father (lesbian couple).
What give you the right to remove the right of a child to have both parents. That is not the life they would have choose if they would be able to do so.
You decide for the fate of a child without his permission or desire. (I'm against the adoption of babies at any case, even for hetero couples).
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The kids who are adopted by gay couples are often being raised in group homes or faster care, already deprived of the kind of parenting you speak of. As well, should kids be removed from single parent houses? Because that setup is really damn common in a country with 50% divorce rate. Growing up, most of my classmates had *one* parent, usually a borderline psycho. Her rotating bi-monthly boyfriends would beat the kids and so on. Tell me how that's preferable to a stable gay couple raising kids.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Coin said:
Assume you are the govern. (the system)

Every person in this world have the right to have a father and a mother.
You give the right to a gay or lesbian couple to adopt a child.
For example the kid is 5 years old. After 10 years old the kid is 15 and he find himself without the mother (gay couple) or the father (lesbian couple).
What give you the right to remove the right of a child to have both parents. That is not the life they would have choose if they would be able to do so.
You decide for the fate of a child without his permission or desire. (I'm against the adoption of babies at any case, even for hetero couples).
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Can you provide any state in the union where a new born child has to sign off on any adoption paperwork and give their "permission" or express their "desire"?


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Anyone else take a look at who voted and the final tally? 7 votes for NO and yet... 13 people supposedly vote. 74 members vote YES and 86 final votes. DP is rigged as ****.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Hatuey said:
Anyone else take a look at who voted and the final tally? 7 votes for NO and yet... 13 people supposedly vote. 74 members vote YES and 86 final votes. DP is rigged as ****.
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this is why my polls are always public otherwise they are pretty worthless in most cases and get spammed
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Hatuey said:
Anyone else take a look at who voted and the final tally? 7 votes for NO and yet... 13 people supposedly vote. 74 members vote YES and 86 final votes. DP is rigged as ****.
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Is it a public poll? I think that lets non-members vote.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

No. The Bible says it's a sin.

However, I also don't even think that marriage should even be something the government regulates.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I don't understand the same sex desire, but I do understand it exists. Still, I'm sorry. Marriage is, and should be solidly defined as between one man and one woman.

As for the legal rights marriage offers, I say either dissolve the legal ramifications of marriage for all, or make a legal equivalent for same sex couple.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Lord of Planar said:
I don't understand the same sex desire, but I do understand it exists. Still, I'm sorry. Marriage is, and should be solidly defined as between one man and one woman.

As for the legal rights marriage offers, I say either dissolve the legal ramifications of marriage for all, or make a legal equivalent for same sex couple.
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From what I hear, some places have civil union laws - which somehow gives gay couples the same legal rights - just gives it a different definition. I'm not even sure how that works, nor what states it applies in.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Tothian said:
From what I hear, some places have civil union laws - which somehow gives gay couples the same legal rights - just gives it a different definition. I'm not even sure how that works, nor what states it applies in.
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As I see things, the optimum solution would be to cease issuing marriage licences.

And replace them with, for example, the "civil unions" you mention.

I think this mainly because, to me, marriage has always seemed more of a personal and/or religious decision, rather than a legal one.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

The Mark said:
Is it a public poll? I think that lets non-members vote.
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It might but i prefer to make all polls public otherwise they get spammed

one of the first lessons i learned here and a mod kindly kept a real count on the issue as they could still see :)
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Of course I'd vote yes.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Even as I think far too much time and effort are spent on this so-called "gay" problem, it is uplifting that nearly 80% of us favor equal rights...and I am certain this is far better that . . . . -say - 20 years ago.
We have progressed , and rather quickly...
We have entered the 20th century, at least 80% of us....
The other 20% can regress to the 1600s , they are in a shrinking minority..
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

they already have equal rights, silly bait thread, belongs in the basement
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Rocketman said:
they already have equal rights, silly bait thread, belongs in the basement
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facts, links, proof?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

AGENT J said:
facts, links, proof?
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common sense requires none of the above. BAIT THREAD BAIT THREAD
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96

So which rights do they not have?

Bill of Rights
Amendment 1 Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
Amendment 2 Right to bear arms
Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 Search and arrest
Amendment 5 Rights in criminal cases
Amendment 6 Right to a fair trial
Amendment 7 Rights in civil cases
Amendment 8 Bail, fines, punishment
Amendment 9 Rights retained by the People
Amendment 10 States' rights Later Amendments
Amendment 11 Lawsuits against states
Amendment 12 Presidential elections
Amendment 13 Abolition of slavery
Amendment 14 Civil rights
Amendment 15 Black suffrage
Amendment 16 Income taxes
Amendment 17 Senatorial elections
Amendment 18 Prohibition of liquor
Amendment 19 Women's suffrage
Amendment 20 Terms of office
Amendment 21 Repeal of Prohibition
Amendment 22 Term Limits for the Presidency
Amendment 23 Washington, D.C., suffrage
Amendment 24 Abolition of poll taxes
Amendment 25 Presidential succession
Amendment 26 18-year-old suffrage
Amendment 27 Congressional pay raises

Bill of Rights and Later Amendments
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Rocketman said:
common sense requires none of the above. BAIT THREAD BAIT THREAD
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so your answer is NO you have no facts to support your false claims. Let s know when you do
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96

Rocketman said:
So which rights do they not have?

Bill of Rights
Amendment 1 Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly
Amendment 2 Right to bear arms
Amendment 3 Quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 Search and arrest
Amendment 5 Rights in criminal cases
Amendment 6 Right to a fair trial
Amendment 7 Rights in civil cases
Amendment 8 Bail, fines, punishment
Amendment 9 Rights retained by the People
Amendment 10 States' rights Later Amendments
Amendment 11 Lawsuits against states
Amendment 12 Presidential elections
Amendment 13 Abolition of slavery
Amendment 14 Civil rights
Amendment 15 Black suffrage
Amendment 16 Income taxes
Amendment 17 Senatorial elections
Amendment 18 Prohibition of liquor
Amendment 19 Women's suffrage
Amendment 20 Terms of office
Amendment 21 Repeal of Prohibition
Amendment 22 Term Limits for the Presidency
Amendment 23 Washington, D.C., suffrage
Amendment 24 Abolition of poll taxes
Amendment 25 Presidential succession
Amendment 26 18-year-old suffrage
Amendment 27 Congressional pay raises

Bill of Rights and Later Amendments
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Thank you. The 14th Amendment. Civil Rights.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I would go for a nation wide vote if the left would agree to the results...Would you lefties do that?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Navy Pride said:
I would go for a nation wide vote if the left would agree to the results...Would you lefties do that?
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cant answer for them but my guess is the majority of americans would not vote to violate peoples rights.

WHy would you want to vote to violate rights?

cant wait to hear this
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

DownWithObama said:
1.)the only reasoning one can possibly have to vote to violate rights is that they would rather have their rights accommodated than someone else.
2.) i.e. a bakery owner or a florist.
3.) Just as a&e had the right to kick the duck dynasty off their air time
4.) so does a baker have the right to not make a cake for someone. (logic)
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1.)what "rights" would be accommodated by denying gays equal rights
2.) baker and florist rights are in tact
3.) duck dantasy rights were intact
4.) if this is a question it isnt a black or white question
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

DownWithObama said:
1. the right to refuse service based on their religious preference.

2. no they are not. If they dont want to participate in that because they believe its wrong, they shouldnt have to.
3.) If a gay baker said They didnt want to bake a cake for a straight marriage its not likely there would be a big deal about it on tv and taking up tax dollars in the courts, no... the straight people would just take their business elsewhere.
4.) yea, I was actually talking about a&e's rights here, but its not my fault you dont have a very good grasp on the english language(its the language you are reading now)
5.) it isnt black or white but you still were unable to read between the lines on my comments to gain comprehension on was I said. but hey I am glad you at least tried, good job!!!
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1.) theres no such right to illegally discriminate so again what RIGHTS would be accommodated
2.) yes their rights are 100% in tact, if you disagree simply post the right that is not intact.
3.) this is a cute story and you are welcome to have this subjective opinion but the fact remains if that gay baker discriminated against the straight couple that would be illegal in that state, in that state it is illegal to discriminate against a person based on SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
4.) deflections like these only further expose the fact you cant defend your postilion and they provide entertainment for me lol
but if you would like to talk about A&Es rights lets do it, they do NOT have the right to discriminate based on religions BUT if there was a CONTRACT between A&E and DD and it had a conduct or moral clause etc they could fire DD for violating it.

now if you would like to be honest and talk about this please do :)

5.) translation: you are still deflecting and unable to honestly, factually back up your failed claims. Maybe next post you will, we'd love to read it
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I've yet to hear one single straight person explain how allowing two gay people to marry will have any direct effect on their life/marriage.

A simple and logical reason for that is because straight people won't be effected at all by SSM.

Just like allowing a black man to marry a white woman had no effect on millions of marriages.
Just like allowing a Jew to marry a Catholic had no effect on millions of marriages.
Just like allowing an Asian to marry someone from Ireland has no effect on millions of marriages.

The stance some people take against SSM boils down to ignorance, religious arrogance, and selfishness all rolled into one.
 
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