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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96

Gay Marriage has nothing to do with the Constitution unless liberty and happiness of Gay Marriage has a economic or other major toll on taxpayers and their own pursuit of the same liberty? Taxes and subsidizing Gay Marriage is not a decision made by a State in fairness to all unless a vote is taken. You know actually,,,,Marriage itself may be further denigrated by Gay Marriages in the future??? With DOMA knocked down,,how will Marriage fair in the legal future in the Long term? You see it is very complicated without a nationwide consensus by voter approval. The whole issue will become even more complicated by the acceptance of Gay Marriage in the SCOTUS without a definition of what is and is not except able Marriage! Yes,,,,,,I can see some wanting to Marry their Siblings or Brothers etc. I mean leave the deviance out of the argument and for the sake of benefits,,,If two Brothers were elderly and desired to get married so the longer living brother would get his SS,,,,what is the difference?
 
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Hiram said:
Gay Marriage has nothing to do with the Constitution
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It does when you consider that marriage is primarily a religious institution. It's what we call it when people legally live together, as a team. Why? It's just a partnership. Either way, gay people do the same thing. So it's either straight and gay marriage or it's straight and gay partnerships.

Which do you want?
 
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chromium said:
More states allow cousins to marry than gay couples. Not much of a slippery slope when it's the other way around.
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Well I think for the sake of support you have approved of a the so called slippery slope that will get much slicker and more complicated without definitions of what is except able as far what is a legal union? I mean the list can go on and on of what SHOULD be but the Taxpayer subsidizing the SS system where your argument will lose ground. Regardless of the SCOTUS,,,,Marriage must have a legal definition for the future and Gay Marriage has complicated what Marriage really is from a legal standpoint.
 
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Hiram said:
Gay Marriage has nothing to do with the Constitution unless liberty and happiness of Gay Marriage has a economic or other major toll on taxpayers and their own pursuit of the same liberty? Taxes and subsidizing Gay Marriage is not a decision made by a State in fairness to all unless a vote is taken. You know actually,,,,Marriage itself may be further denigrated by Gay Marriages in the future??? With DOMA knocked down,,how will Marriage fair in the legal future in the Long term? You see it is very complicated without a nationwide consensus by voter approval. The whole issue will become even more complicated by the acceptance of Gay Marriage in the SCOTUS without a definition of what is and is not except able Marriage! Yes,,,,,,I can see some wanting to Marry their Siblings or Brothers etc. I mean leave the deviance out of the argument and for the sake of benefits,,,If two Brothers were elderly and desired to get married so the longer living brother would get his SS,,,,what is the difference?
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What is the difference between that scenario and an infertile, loveless hetero couple marrying for SS? What's to stop brother and sister from doing that? You keep saying it's not about "less than" but there are so many holes that could just as easily apply to a hetero couple, or even a gay guy and lesbian marrying each other for tax benefits. Explain how DOMA allowing 5% of the population to marry will destroy the legal foundation of marriage altogether.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
It does when you consider that marriage is primarily a religious institution. It's what we call it when people legally live together, as a team. Why? It's just a partnership. Either way, gay people do the same thing. So it's either straight and gay marriage or it's straight and gay partnerships.

Which do you want?
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I think they want the money and benefits of SS mostly! They call it equal rights but I think that is what they use as an excuse to get the money. I mean really,,,does money define love? I think if it did,,,,,that would be a very superficial union!
 
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Hiram said:
I think they want the money and benefits of SS mostly! They call it equal rights but I think that is what they use as an excuse to get the money. I mean really,,,does money define love? I think if it did,,,,,that would be a very superficial union!
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Okay, then they'll have a superficial union just like lots of hetero couples.
 
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chromium said:
What is the difference between that scenario and an infertile, loveless hetero couple marrying for SS? What's to stop brother and sister from doing that? You keep saying it's not about "less than" but there are so many holes that could just as easily apply to a hetero couple, or even a gay guy and lesbian marrying each other for tax benefits. Explain how DOMA allowing 5% of the population to marry will destroy the legal foundation of marriage altogether.
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I think it snowball into more than 5% in the future if allowed to continue. Yes I do see a problem because SS was not intended for Brothers to get married and draw on their Brother,,it was intended for Husband and Wife.

The whole idea of getting a piece of pie is based on there being a Pie to get a slice from,,with everybody no matter the sex and no matter the Consanguinity eating Pie,,,there will soon none left for anyone,,,,see the perpetual becoming a stop sign?
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
Okay, then they'll have a superficial union just like lots of hetero couples.
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But,,,,Marriage is not based on the taxpayer base and legality longevity of superficial love! It is based on how much the two contribute in the form of taxation and wealth distribution to THEIR future. You see with the Gay Marriage SS drain,,,,,,,it will burden an already very weak and likely unsustainable system. I think to the tune of billions added each year for those who have not paid in what the Historical Marriage definition has contributed in the past to sustain it.
 
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Hiram said:
I think they want the money and benefits of SS mostly! They call it equal rights but I think that is what they use as an excuse to get the money. I mean really,,,does money define love? I think if it did,,,,,that would be a very superficial union!
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So why you can't you make the same accusation of hetero couples? They just marry for SS etc.
 
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chromium said:
So why you can't you make the same accusation of hetero couples? They just marry for SS etc.
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But,,,,,they have paid yes?
 
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See my point yet? Yes you will come back and say the same circle of contribution is happening everyday but not to the tune of an immediate 80 billion dollars a year load that the first year of Gay Marriage will burden the system. Have you also thought of the litigation back log of past Gays against the Government for back pay? Ask yourself,,,,,,doe's the Government and SS have tort immunity against such litigation?;)
 
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Hiram said:
But,,,,Marriage is not based on the taxpayer base and legality longevity of superficial love! It is based on how much the two contribute in the form of taxation and wealth distribution to THEIR future. You see with the Gay Marriage SS drain,,,,,,,it will burden an already very weak and likely unsustainable system. I think to the tune of billions added each year for those who have not paid in what the Historical Marriage definition has contributed in the past to sustain it.
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Too bad? I don't think anyone is interested in this horrible straw-grasping. There's plenty of hetero couples that do the same thing you're saying gay people would do.
 
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Hiram said:
I think it snowball into more than 5% in the future if allowed to continue. Yes I do see a problem because SS was not intended for Brothers to get married and draw on their Brother,,it was intended for Husband and Wife.

The whole idea of getting a piece of pie is based on there being a Pie to get a slice from,,with everybody no matter the sex and no matter the Consanguinity eating Pie,,,there will soon none left for anyone,,,,see the perpetual becoming a stop sign?
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Gay people contribute to SS too. It comes right out of their paycheck, and what are you saying, they shouldn't be allowed to benefit from what they contribute? That is blatant discrimination. Or should a gay guy marry your daughter, since that way he can have SS benefits (since those benefits is the "gay agenda" according to you)? Why's it so hard to accept two people would marry out of love?
 
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You may not have thought of such complications but believe me,,,,,they are real! I can guarantee you that Congress has thought of it,,so has the POTUS,,,,,He certainly doe's not seem to mind the spending but for the sake of his determined transformation of America,,each change will cost the Taxpayer a lot of money,,and to get that money,,we have to borrow it right? Now Gay Marriage is much more far reaching than just two guys wanting to get married because the love each other,,,,,,,it has monetary ramifications on the way of life for every American.
 
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Hiram said:
See my point yet? Yes you will come back and say the same circle of contribution is happening everyday but not to the tune of an immediate 80 billion dollars a year load that the first year of Gay Marriage will burden the system. Have you also thought of the litigation back log of past Gays against the Government for back pay? Ask yourself,,,,,,doe's the Government and SS have tort immunity against such litigation?;)
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I have never heard of this "back pay" argument, but if so, it's from damages. They have been ****ed over - at least compared to hetero couples - for decades in some cases, and now they're coming to collect. That's how it goes when you discriminate.

The federal government blew over 10x this on useless wars recently. I think it will manage.
 
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chromium said:
I have never heard of this "back pay" argument, but if so, it's from damages. They have been ****ed over - at least compared to hetero couples - for decades in some cases, and now they're coming to collect. That's how it goes when you discriminate.
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No,,,that is how it go's when 5% of the population tries to change the system! Sorry,,,,but the truth is the truth! It really is about money,,
 
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Now I am waiting on the slavery reference,,is it coming? THAT comparison would definitely be off topic and the Mod would be appropriate to admonish it..;)
 
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"The federal government blew over 10x this on useless wars recently. I think it will manage." quote

Nope,,,wrong again! The children of Hetero couples will manage the burden for years to come with taxation to try and pay the deficit that Government spending creates...sorry again but true!
 
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Hiram said:
No,,,that is how it go's when 5% of the population tries to change the system! Sorry,,,,but the truth is the truth! It really is about money,,
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Yeah these couples in NJ who have been together since 1989 totally hooked up for the money :roll: Even when back then they had no idea they'd have the opportunity to marry. Is the hang up you are just afraid to admit people of the same sex can actually love each other?
 
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Hiram said:
Now I am waiting on the slavery reference,,is it coming? THAT comparison would definitely be off topic and the Mod would be appropriate to admonish it..;)
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Maybe they should admonish you since you are clearing baiting with comments like this
 
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Hiram said:
"The federal government blew over 10x this on useless wars recently. I think it will manage." quote

Nope,,,wrong again! The children of Hetero couples will manage the burden for years to come with taxation to try and pay the deficit that Government spending creates...sorry again but true!
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If "it's too expensive wahhh" is your best argument to discriminate, we're done here. It would save a hell of a lot more to ban heterosexuals from marrying. Think about that one.
 
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chromium said:
Yeah these couples in NJ who have been together since 1989 totally hooked up for the money :roll: Even when back then they had no idea they'd have the opportunity to marry. Is the hang up you are just afraid to admit people of the same sex can actually love each other?
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I do not doubt their commitment,,no, not in anyway! Love will not pay the deficit they create based on a new definition of love, correct? If the Gay Marriage proponents really believed that Love would feed and clothe them,,would they bother for Marriage?
 
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chromium said:
If "it's too expensive wahhh" is your best argument to discriminate, we're done here. It would save a hell of a lot more to ban heterosexuals from marrying. Think about that one.
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Without a nationwide vote legitimize Gay Marriage,,they as a group, discriminate by burdening the SS system and Taxation on the entire Nation without consensus.
 
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I must leave for the night,,thank you for the conversation and good health to you!
 
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Hiram said:
Without a nationwide vote legitimize Gay Marriage,,they as a group, discriminate by burdening the SS system and Taxation on the entire Nation without consensus.
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When was the last "nationwide vote" on anything? Oh right, never! Anyway a clear majority in every poll supports SSM, so that's a close a consensus as we'll ever get. It is you who is now holding the majority hostage.
 
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