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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

... is someone deleting poll results? Holy crap, it's a LANDSLIDE in favor of allowing gay men and women to marry their significant others.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Guy Incognito said:
Yes, it does. And the truth needs to be told: opposition to gay rights is bigotry.

It is moral cowardice to shy away from speaking the truth in this matter simply to be diplomatic. The opponents of gay rights do not deserve to be treated with kid gloves. Their anti-gay attitudes are not worthy of respect.
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You don't have to respect them but it depends on your goal. If you go around calling them all bigots, it's not likely to win them over. Of course, you might not care to convince them of anything since gay rights is pretty inevitable at this point and some are just not at all open to convincing.
 
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AGENT J said:
i stand corrected its 46% not 60
Interracial marriage should be illegal, say 46% of Mississippi Republicans in new poll - NY Daily News
Poll: 46 Percent of Mississippi GOP Want to Ban Interracial Marriage - Erik Hayden - The Atlantic Wire
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I have been military all my life, 20 years active, 26 working for the army as a civilian. Those folks from Mississippi would be astounded to walk into any PX and see all the interracial married folks and then a lot of their kids also marrying inter-racially. I would say those in the military or who have served, especially overseas are not as hung up on this racial thing as civilians as a whole. But that may need a caveat. I'd say civilians who stay close to home all their lives and never been out to see the real world. Mississippi folks ought to visit Atlanta. I like Atlanta's motto before they changed it last year or the year before last. The city too busy to hate. I live about 30 miles south of Atlanta.
 
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AGENT J said:
Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
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I voted yes, because as another poster pointed out, why should heterosexuals be the only ones who are miserable? :mrgreen:

Greetings, Agent J. :2wave:
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

digsbe said:
1.)The poll questions are biased and misleading.
2.) Voting against SSM ins't voting against equal rights.
3.) Voting for a federal overhaul on marriage invalidating the state constitutions that do not recognize SSM is the violation of equality with the rights of those states and voters being stomped on.
4.) I would vote no for a national vote on "equal rights" as far as "equal rights" meaning forcing a definition of marriage upon everyone and among states that do not recognize that definition.
5.) I am voting for equal rights, not against them.
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1.) nope they are based on facts, court cases, laws, rights and precedence.
2.) yes it factually is, again based on laws, rights (legal, human and civil), court cases and precedence
3.) see #2 this argument always fails, it gets destroyed but all the other like cases before it and the cases being decided now, voters arent being stomped on in any way what so ever this strawman fallacy always loses the same way voters werent stomped on for minority/womens rights and interracial marriage and the defeated argument that this is different also never wins.
4.) nothing is being "forced" equality will is being granted and protected
5.) you are free to tell yourself this cute fantasy story if you like but all the facts are against you.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
Food for thought.

Gay couple to sue Church over gay marriage opt-out | Trending Central

Yes, I know, it's England and nothing that happens in England would ever occur in the US.
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It says right in the article the church and state are linked in England...is there even any other way to marry but thru the church, or can they go to the local clerk's office? That might have something to do with it.
 
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polgara said:
1.)I voted yes, because as another poster pointed out, why should heterosexuals be the only ones who are miserable? :mrgreen:

2.)Greetings, Agent J. :2wave:
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1.) good point lol
2.)greetings :2wave:
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

Perotista said:
If this was a national I would probably stay home because of the views on the subject.
If this was just Georgia and did not effect any other state, I would vote yes.

Although I have no problem with gays marrying one another, I also feel the national or federal government should not be in the business of determining, telling everyone in the U.S. who can or who can"t be married. that should be between the two who get married. Georgia right does not allow it, but any gay couple in the state of Georgia can go to one of what, 13 or there about states and get married. As time goes by more and more states are recognizing gay marriage.
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So you would be totally fine with re-instating state bans on interracial marriage?
 
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chromium said:
So you would be totally fine with re-instating state bans on interracial marriage?
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I have no problem with interracial marriage, but that's mostly because most women who marry black men are very much not my type.
 
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chromium said:
So you would be totally fine with re-instating state bans on interracial marriage?
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Must be living in the 50's here or earlier. Can you name me one state that would vote to re-institute interracial marriages? As Agent J just pointed out probably the only state that might come close to doing that is Mississippi and it would fail there. Good luck on trying to interracial marriages brought back.
 
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Perotista said:
Must be living in the 50's here or earlier. Can you name me one state that would vote to re-institute interracial marriages? As Agent J just pointed out probably the only state that might come close to doing that is Mississippi and it would fail there. Good luck on trying to interracial marriages brought back.
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I'm saying hypothetically. Your argument revolved around states' rights to define marriage, so would you support states being able to ban interracial marriage?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

chromium said:
You don't have to respect them but it depends on your goal. If you go around calling them all bigots, it's not likely to win them over. Of course, you might not care to convince them of anything since gay rights is pretty inevitable at this point and some are just not at all open to convincing.
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Well, you are right. Trying to convince an opponent of gay rights to come around is like trying to convince a klansman that minorities deserve civil rights. It's pointless. The only thing opponents of gay rights deserve is vituperation.
 
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chromium said:
I'm saying hypothetically. Your argument revolved around states' rights to define marriage, so would you support states being able to ban interracial marriage?
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I wouldn't care, it use to marriage was just a church thing and church sanctioned. Perhaps we should go back to that. But with the advent of the income tax and other benefits, marriage has become a big thing for benefits. Heck it wasn't until the civil war and a little after that some states actually started to keep track of who was married. They relied on church records. It wasn't until around 1916 the Kentucky, the last state in the union at that time started to keep track of who was married.

So maybe we should all go back to church based weddings and marriage. Regardless how the federal government, state, the church or who ever sees it, I am with the one I love and that is all that matters. The paper is a government thing for benefits and tax exemptions etc. etc. I can make a will whether married or not and leave what I have to whomever, no piece of paper outside that will is needed.

As I stated before, I see no problem with it and it really isn't a hot issue of mine or my families. I would stay home because of my beliefs that the federal government doesn't have the power to say who can or who can't be married. I don't think the states should either. I think love should. But if the vote came up in Georgia, I would vote for it only because the marriage license is issued by the state. That is another sore point with me, I do not think one should have to obtain a license to get married.
 
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Perotista said:
I wouldn't care, it use to marriage was just a church thing and church sanctioned. Perhaps we should go back to that. But with the advent of the income tax and other benefits, marriage has become a big thing for benefits. Heck it wasn't until the civil war and a little after that some states actually started to keep track of who was married. They relied on church records. It wasn't until around 1916 the Kentucky, the last state in the union at that time started to keep track of who was married.

So maybe we should all go back to church based weddings and marriage. Regardless how the federal government, state, the church or who ever sees it, I am with the one I love and that is all that matters. The paper is a government thing for benefits and tax exemptions etc. etc. I can make a will whether married or not and leave what I have to whomever, no piece of paper outside that will is needed.

As I stated before, I see no problem with it and it really isn't a hot issue of mine or my families. I would stay home because of my beliefs that the federal government doesn't have the power to say who can or who can't be married. I don't think the states should either. I think love should. But if the vote came up in Georgia, I would vote for it only because the marriage license is issued by the state. That is another sore point with me, I do not think one should have to obtain a license to get married.
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We live in a more complex world than 1916. Ending government involvement in marriage would mean millions of spouses lose access to modern health care and thousands more would be deported, since they were foreigners. There's also adoption issues. It's a valid argument though that in principle you shouldn't need a "license" to marry.
 
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Perotista said:
I wouldn't care, it use to marriage was just a church thing and church sanctioned. Perhaps we should go back to that. But with the advent of the income tax and other benefits, marriage has become a big thing for benefits. Heck it wasn't until the civil war and a little after that some states actually started to keep track of who was married. They relied on church records. It wasn't until around 1916 the Kentucky, the last state in the union at that time started to keep track of who was married.

So maybe we should all go back to church based weddings and marriage. Regardless how the federal government, state, the church or who ever sees it, I am with the one I love and that is all that matters. The paper is a government thing for benefits and tax exemptions etc. etc. I can make a will whether married or not and leave what I have to whomever, no piece of paper outside that will is needed.

As I stated before, I see no problem with it and it really isn't a hot issue of mine or my families. I would stay home because of my beliefs that the federal government doesn't have the power to say who can or who can't be married. I don't think the states should either. I think love should. But if the vote came up in Georgia, I would vote for it only because the marriage license is issued by the state. That is another sore point with me, I do not think one should have to obtain a license to get married.
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that would be a horrible idea
the legal protections, rights and benefits granted by the marriage contract cant be duplicated. many can with many other contracts but none do the same thing nor are they legaly as binding,

no thanks i want government protecting my contract, spouse, kids and family

a will alone cant even come close to doing that
not to mentions churches have nothing to do with legal marriage or the protections needed for family.
 
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AGENT J said:
i have, i stated the facts you seem to want to hold on and keep denying that, the issues is yours
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Then why are you still posting?
 
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jonny5 said:
Then why are you still posting?
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im replying to you and you not moving on and denying facts, thats obvious
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
I'd be more confident this was the case if there weren't already recently decided cases saying that florists and cake shops cannot refuse to serve same sex weddings, even on religious beliefs. Apparently their first amendment rights doen't really mean much. What guarantee is there that the same line of reasoning will not be applied to churches?

Guess even just asking that makes me a conspiricy nut huh? :lol:
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If the government is forcing religious institutions to provide HC benefits for abortions and contraceptives against their religious beliefs what do you think the government will do as it regards providing spousal benefits for homosexuals? Or even hiring homosexuals for that matter?

Is it your turn to buy the tin foil, or mine?
 
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AGENT J said:
im replying to you and you not moving on and denying facts, thats obvious
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So then you haven't moved on like you claimed. So move on.
 
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ChezC3 said:
If the government is forcing religious institutions to provide HC benefits for abortions and contraceptives against their religious beliefs what do you think the government will do as it regards providing spousal benefits for homosexuals? Or even hiring homosexuals for that matter?

Is it your turn to buy the tin foil, or mine?
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none of those things have anythign to do with forcing CHURCHES to conduct marriages
none

theres no laws, precedence or logic to tie the two together

churches discriminate everyday because, the constitution says they can and people have tried to sue them and they lost because theres nothing to win on.

church = religious realm religious rights, rules and protections
public = equals public realm, public rules, rights and protections

its the same for ALL OF US

you are talking apples and oranges

if you disagree by all means post something that factually connects equal rights for gays to forcing churches to do marriages.
one factual connection that relates them.
 
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jonny5 said:
So then you haven't moved on like you claimed. So move on.
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nope i have my facts were pointed out, you keep posting and denying them and failing
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

AGENT J said:
none of those things have anythign to do with forcing CHURCHES to conduct marriages
none

theres no laws, precedence or logic to tie the two together

churches discriminate everyday because, the constitution says they can and people have tried to sue them and they lost because theres nothing to win on.

church = religious realm religious rights, rules and protections
public = equals public realm, public rules, rights and protections

its the same for ALL OF US

you are talking apples and oranges

if you disagree by all means post something that factually connects equal rights for gays to forcing churches to do marriages.
one factual connection that relates them.
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I'm sorry, you seem to be confused, did I say anything about what you're asking me to defend? No. Please take my post in the CONTEXT it was given. If you can't, than you need not respond. (Since it wasn't directed to you in the first place, you can at least give someone the courtesy of responding to the post, not what you might wish the post to be)
 
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ChezC3 said:
I'm sorry, you seem to be confused, did I say anything about what you're asking me to defend? No. Please take my post in the CONTEXT it was given. If you can't, than you need not respond. (Since it wasn't directed to you in the first place, you can at least give someone the courtesy of responding to the post, not what you might wish the post to be)
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nope not confused at all, what you quoted was what the discussion was about, maybe you should look at the CONTEXT of the conversation you quoted and you wont make that mistake in the future. You're welcome, glad i could clear up your confusion.
 
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chromium said:
We live in a more complex world than 1916. Ending government involvement in marriage would mean millions of spouses lose access to modern health care and thousands more would be deported, since they were foreigners. There's also adoption issues. It's a valid argument though that in principle you shouldn't need a "license" to marry.
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Just how I feel. I have no objections and would never fight against gay marriage. We live in a more complex world because that is what we made it to be. No government entity should have the power to say who can or who can't be married.
 
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