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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Your Star said:
If the shoe fits.
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Sometimes the shoe doesn't really fit, but others keep insisting a person try it on.

In the case of gay rights, there is certainly no shortage of homophobic douchebags in the world, and some of them certainly find their way into this forum, but I think it prudent to distinguish between the homophobes and those who might happen to take political positions that aren't quite fully in line with one's own.
 
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jonny5 said:
However, I would not vote to give the federal govt the power to decide what is and isnt 'marriage'. The federal govt only needs to be concerned with defending our lives and freedom. That goes for state govts too. Marriage is a social choice, nothing to do with govt.
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This is a cop-out to the question though.

OBVIOUSLY the government is completely and totally involved and intertwined with marriage.
Medically, legally, and financially.

The question isn't about removing the government from marriage.
It's simply about allowing everybody to have equal access to what already exists.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
Kind of weighted the poll choices there, J.
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Nothing in the poll choices is weighted.

Pretty straight forward and honest.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Dragonfly said:
Nothing in the poll choices is weighted.

Pretty straight forward and honest.
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I think it depends on the purpose of the poll. If the intent is genuine interest in people's opinions (which is usually why I start a poll), then adding a bunch of superflous language about how they're anti equal rights for everybody will not get you that. You cannot presume motive in your poll choices if you're interested in honest opinion. If however, the poll itself is to make a point and the real intent is to get others to choose the right option, then that's cool too. Let's just be real about the purpose is all I'm saying.

BTW, I'm not at all saying that J has been dishonest about his intent. On the contrary, he's been very open about which choices he thinks are the right ones, so I have no issue with this poll.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

AGENT J said:
Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
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I would not vote, as that ballot initiative would be far to vague and open to far too much interpretation for me to vote for it with a clear mind. "Equal rights" without it spelling out what rights are being talked about and how is problematic as I've seen far too many times on all sides where people consider things "rights" that I in no way believe are.

If it was just a vote on marriage, I'd vote in favor of it as I believe our current law is unconstitutional. My preference would be to remove it completely and simply have two people civil unions as part of the law; but in your hypothetical, I'd vote to make our laws constitutional in my mind.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Dragonfly said:
This is a cop-out to the question though.

OBVIOUSLY the government is completely and totally involved and intertwined with marriage.
Medically, legally, and financially.

The question isn't about removing the government from marriage.
It's simply about allowing everybody to have equal access to what already exists.
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Obvisouly it shouldnt be. I answered the question. I would not vote for a law which gives the govt power to regulate marriage.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

trfjr said:
is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?
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There is in fact an inherent to marry visa vi our Sovereign right to association amongst others.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

trfjr said:
is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?
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The Constitution of the United States of America, Amendment 9.

That oughtta shut 'em up.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

jonny5 said:
I would not vote for a law which gives the govt power to regulate marriage.
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But since it already does.

So that's not what you're voting on here. As made clear in the OP.

The only thing to vote on here is whether or not gay people should be able to marry or not as it's currently defined by our government and legal systems.


The government's being involved in marriage isn't the topic here.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Guy Incognito said:
Your refusal to call out bigotry is stunning.
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nope

having "feelings" alone that gay sex or gay marriage is wrong is NOT bigotry, sorry.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I would vote against discrimination, but not for marriage.
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on this topic thats impossible.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

jonny5 said:
Im a libertarian, so I already think that two consenting adults can enter into whatever contract they choose. However, I would not vote to give the federal govt the power to decide what is and isnt 'marriage'. The federal govt only needs to be concerned with defending our lives and freedom. That goes for state govts too. Marriage is a social choice, nothing to do with govt.
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so you are deflecting from the OP, got it
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

EdwinWillers said:
1.)Is it just me, or is this really a "No" vote?

It seems to me if you're going to ban someone from being banned from getting legally married, you're voting 'Yes' on allowing them to get legally married.

2.)Btw - how is this an "equal rights" issue in the first place? (meh, awaiting the stock answer...)
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1.)yep i screwed up the cut and paste because originally answer two was over the limit and when i fixed it i didnt check it (making it not fixed lol, ill ask a mod to fix it)

2.) easy see all the court cases, legal precedence and the laws, rights and statues based on them. if facts are stock so be it.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
Might as well have added "because you're a homophobic douchebag" to the second option. :lol:
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I think most of us can figure out that if someone votes the second option it's because they're a homophobic douchebag.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Gardener said:
Sometimes the shoe doesn't really fit, but others keep insisting a person try it on.

In the case of gay rights, there is certainly no shortage of homophobic douchebags in the world, and some of them certainly find their way into this forum, but I think it prudent to distinguish between the homophobes and those who might happen to take political positions that aren't quite fully in line with one's own.
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Yes, with this issue, the shoe fits. A political position that is rooted in hate and bigotry is just that.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

AGENT J said:
Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
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I vote they should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage.

What I don't do is insist that churches perform the ceremonies.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

soot said:
I think most of us can figure out that if someone votes the second option it's because they're a homophobic douchebag.
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By the way it's worded I would agree that is the implication.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

No vote
The homosexuals are doing well, now, I think.
The next step is to repair and upgrade man......
Another hundred years for this undertaking....time heals all wounds.
Now, next is to give the left-handed man a break.
The people need to do this, NOT the government....I do not think this is a serious problem, but then, I am not a "lefty" .
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

soot said:
I think most of us can figure out that if someone votes the second option it's because they're a homophobic douchebag.
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Do you not believe in freedom of religion? There are people who would vote the second option because of their faith. Hardly makes them homophobic douche bags. Lordy.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

trfjr said:
is there a right to get married? if so can you link to the law or statute saying so?
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New York Marriage Equality Act

"2. Legislative Intent. Marriage is a fundamental human right."

http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/marriageequalitybill.pdf

Passed by the New York General Assembly 6/15/2011 by a vote of 80:63
Passed by the New York Senate 6/24/2011 by a vote of 33:29
Signed by the New York Governor 6/24/2011.



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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Moderator's Warning:
Apparently the previous warning wasn't clear enough, so let me be clearer.

The next person baiting in this thread by suggesting posters who disagree with them and who voted for options 2 are "douchebags" of any sort is getting 3 points.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

trfjr said:
can you please give a link showing that a court or law has said marriage is a right ive looked and the cases ive read about marriage was about equal treatment under the law and anti discrimination
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Loving v. Virginia (Loving v. Virginia)
These statutes also deprive the Lovings of liberty without due process of law in violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.

Zablocki v Wisconsin (Thomas E. ZABLOCKI, Milwaukee County Clerk, etc., Appellant, v. Roger C. REDHAIL, etc. | Supreme Court | LII / Legal Information Institute)
Although Loving arose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.




There you go.


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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

MaggieD said:
I vote they should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage.

What I don't do is insist that churches perform the ceremonies.
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thats good mags and dont worry theres about zero danger of that happening
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Zyphlin said:
I would not vote, as that ballot initiative would be far to vague and open to far too much interpretation for me to vote for it with a clear mind. "Equal rights" without it spelling out what rights are being talked about and how is problematic as I've seen far too many times on all sides where people consider things "rights" that I in no way believe are.

If it was just a vote on marriage, I'd vote in favor of it as I believe our current law is unconstitutional. My preference would be to remove it completely and simply have two people civil unions as part of the law; but in your hypothetical, I'd vote to make our laws constitutional in my mind.
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hmmmm thats interesting, i guess i could have added more but ive never heard anybody assume the worse about equal rights. I mean if it was MORE rights than you or I have than that wouldnt be equal right?

I see what you are saying but im not sure how to get there with out being presumptuous and defeating the use of equal rights.

I mean by default IMO it simply has to equate to the rights i have but thanks for that explanation.

I guess what im saying is i think they should have every right and freedom i have in a basic sense and if that wasnt the cause it be something different than equal
 
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