If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

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AGENT J said:

another failure, please keep the streak going
fact remains its a right and its a law many places
fact also remains in the OP i said fantasy and i said not to wast time using failed arguments.
your post is like a quadruple failure.
you lose to facts again, your mistake.


lets use a similar mentally retard failed argument, until somebody can show me where it says you have the right not to be raped i say it pointless charging people with that crime. i have a right to happiness, rape makes me happy and theres not right saying you cant be raped! <end sarcasm>

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the difference is I can post a link showing rape is against the laws
Rape Law - HG.org
just waiting for you do the same showing a law or statute that marriage is a right

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AGENT J said:

Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

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Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all

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Most people know what kind of people oppose equal rights for everyone.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll.

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AGENT J said:

thats fine if you feel this way not sure why you feel so judge, i still have nothing but good things to think about you, do you some how think differently? Not askign if you care im asking how you come to the conclusion that i think bad of you?

just because i think you think its possible for a church to be forced is illogical doesnt mean anything but that :shrug:

You have a though that i think is illogical, so what, im sure you could say the same about me and even people you love/family? what does that mean?

why is this such an emotional thing for you? where do you think i am judging "you" at? and that its offensive?

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Right, I'm sure "conspiracy theorist" was just a term of endearment. You have not just said you think it's illogical, you're saying that having any concern over it based on recent court cases makes me essentially a nut. You have, indeed, made a value judgment and went ahead and insulted me based on it. Most times I don't give a ****, I just didn't expect it from you. Oh, might want to look up "conspiracy". That implies a coordinated plan or effort which is nothing I suggested at all.

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trfjr said:

the difference is I can post a link show rape is against the laws
Rape Law - HG.org
just waiting for you do the same showing a law or statute that marriage is a right

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against the law??? i can post marriage law too lol
weird you ask me for it to be shown as a RIGHT
and then i asked you to show me that you have the RIGHT not to be raped.

fact is marriage is a right, SCOTUS said so 14 times

thank for another failed posts, they are very entertaining, still of topic, false and deflections but entertaining.
Would you like to read the OP again and stay on topic now?

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AGENT J said:

against the law??? i can post marriage law too lol
weird you ask me for it to be shown as a RIGHT
and then i asked you to show me that you have the RIGHT not to be raped.

fact is marriage is a right, SCOTUS said so 14 times

thank for another failed posts, they are very entertaining, still of topic, false and deflections but entertaining.
Would you like to read the OP again and stay on topic now?

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if SCOTUS has said marriage is a right 14 times then you shouldn't have a problem providing it

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AGENT J said:

against the law??? i can post marriage law too lol
weird you ask me for it to be shown as a RIGHT
and then i asked you to show me that you have the RIGHT not to be raped.

fact is marriage is a right, SCOTUS said so 14 times

thank for another failed posts, they are very entertaining, still of topic, false and deflections but entertaining.
Would you like to read the OP again and stay on topic now?

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you know you are one of the worst and laziest debaters ive ever meet here I will provide the facts for you

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

was that that difficult
this is why you get blown off on a regular bases you cant provide simple information related to your post when asked to reinforce your argument

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X Factor said:

1.)Right, I'm sure "conspiracy theorist" was just a term of endearment.

2.)You have not just said you think it's illogical

3.) you're saying that having any concern over it based on recent court cases makes me essentially a nut.

4.) You have, indeed, made a value judgment and went ahead and insulted me based on it.

5.) Most times I don't give a ****, I just didn't expect it from you. Oh, might want to look up "conspiracy". That implies a coordinated plan or effort which is nothing I suggested at all.

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1.) lol no but it deals with ONE of your thoughts not all of them. Honestly and i know you said you dont care but if i honestly thought you were a nut i simply wouldnt explain anything to you at all, wouldnt care, wouldnt try to make sure you understood etc etc. Id have no interest in it and i most certainly would never give you any type of compliments what so ever which i have and publicly.

2.) i actually did say that, i said theres no logic to support it and there isnt

3.) not i said its illogical and theres no precedence to have that thought and then i asked for one logical reason.

4.) if you are insulted over me thinking you have an illogical thought i apologize because offending you was not my intent but im not taking that opinion back, I do think that one though is illogical.

5.)well it has many definitions but i can handle that. but simply question because it does come off as a conspiracy to me. (as group of people pushing this illogical concern) If gays didnt exist would it still a concern?

because those cases you reference are the SAME type of cases that have been around for men, women, whites, blacks etc for a long time now.

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trfjr said:

you know you are one of the worst and laziest debaters ive ever meet here I will provide the facts for you

14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

was that that difficult

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another failed post, failed insult and deflection
sorry i didnt let you go off topic and deflect because of my laziness LMAO
we werent having a debate, you were factually wrong and people pointed that fact out.

good job at totally owning your own failed posts

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AGENT J said:

1.) lol no but it deals with ONE of your thoughts not all of them. Honestly and i know you said you dont care but if i honestly thought you were a nut i simply wouldnt explain anything to you at all, wouldnt care, wouldnt try to make sure you understood etc etc. Id have no interest in it and i most certainly would never give you any type of compliments what so ever which i have and publicly.

2.) i actually did say that, i said theres no logic to support it and there isnt

3.) not i said its illogical and theres no precedence to have that thought and then i asked for one logical reason.

4.) if you are insulted over me thinking you have an illogical thought i apologize because offending you was not my intent but im not taking that opinion back, I do think that one though is illogical.

5.)well it has many definitions but i can handle that. but simply question because it does come off as a conspiracy to me. (as group of people pushing this illogical concern) If gays didnt exist would it still a concern?

because those cases you reference are the SAME type of cases that have been around for men, women, whites, blacks etc for a long time now.

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I'm asking you to walk back the "conspiracy theorist" name you called me. Just tell me if I wasting my time and you won't have to worry about another reply from me.

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AGENT J said:

another failed post, failed insult and deflection
sorry i didnt let you go off topic and deflect because of my laziness LMAO
we werent having a debate, you were factually wrong and people pointed that fact out.

good job at totally owning your own failed posts

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and how is a question wrong? never said it was or wasn't a right just asked the question if you could provide the information showing it is which you failed to do so I had to do it for you
just shows you are fail cant even provide information when asked on a topic you started

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X Factor said:

I'm asking you to walk back the "conspiracy theorist" name you called me. Just tell me if I wasting my time and you won't have to worry about another reply from me.

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yes if that offends you of course because that was not my intent or my goal.
If you are honestly offended you already know i walk it back.

am i back in the "circle of trust" now

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trfjr said:

and how is a question wrong? never said it was or wasn't a right just asked the question if you could provide the information showing it is which you failed to do so I had to do it for you

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the OP makes it so and then all the posts afterwards. your post, deflections and insults all failed.
Facts defeated them all.
anyway feel free to post on topic and vote anytime you like.

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AGENT J said:

yes if that offends you of course because that was not my intent or my goal.
If you are honestly offended you already know i walk it back.

am i back in the "circle of trust" now

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Yes, thank you. I've just spent too many hours dealing with conspiracy theorists in the CT forum that believe everything is a planned and concerted effort by the Jews. That's what conspiracy theorist means to me. J, I'm not opposed to SSM and I would not vote against it, however, it did take me some time and thought to reconcile it with my religious beliefs, so I'm also not particularly on board with flaming folks over their religious beliefs, because I understand that aspect as well.

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X Factor said:

1.)Yes, thank you.

2.) I've just spent too many hours dealing with conspiracy theorists in the CT forum that believe everything is a planned and concerted effort by the Jews. That's what conspiracy theorist means to me.
3.)J, I'm not opposed to SSM and I would not vote against it, however, it did take me some time and thought to reconcile it with my religious beliefs
4.) so I'm also not particularly on board with flaming folks over their religious beliefs, because I understand that aspect as well.

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1.) you are welcome.
2.) by the jews??????????????????????? oh do tell now THATS a conspiracy lol wow, and to think im hardly ever in that forum, damn sounds like im missing out.
3.) and i have ZERO problems with that at all

my point was only religious beliefs shouldnt drive one to deny equal rights or empower legal discrimination especially when that person has those rights themselves.

Basically im just saying how jacked up would it be if people started voting that Judaism is the only allowed religion or that women go back to not voting.
I simply dont accept religion as an excuse for that in this country as far as VOTING goes.


now of course people are allowed to believe, teach, preach say what you want but i think its very ignorant and bigoted for people to deny equality. I could never do that.

not saying YOU would do that just saying in general, i could never deny somebody that based on my religion because i instantly think what if some other religion out numbder me one day and denied me rights? america would no longer be america really quick thats all.

what i suggest to those people is that they go home and thank god like i do they live in a country where they have the freedom to have their god because in many cases thats not how it is.

thats all

4.) me neither over simply having them, its one of our most important rights but many people want to force them on others and those are the hypocrites that need to get it together. and im talkign the extremist not little things.Too many people also pick and choose what beliefs they want to super enforce and what ones "dont really count"

my religion is for ME and MINE, thats it, it is a guide for me to do right and get to a better place if im lucky

but to many people use it as a stepping stone of judgement and a tool to look down on others etc. The exact opposite of what religion is for.

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AGENT J said:

1.) you are welcome.
2.) by the jews??????????????????????? oh do tell now THATS a conspiracy lol wow, and to think im hardly ever in that forum, damn sounds like im missing out.
3.) and i have ZERO problems with that at all

my point was only religious beliefs shouldnt drive one to deny equal rights or empower legal discrimination especially when that person has those rights themselves.

Basically im just saying how jacked up would it be if people started voting that Judaism is the only allowed religion or that women go back to not voting.
I simply dont accept religion as an excuse for that in this country as far as VOTING goes.


now of course people are allowed to believe, teach, preach say what you want but i think its very ignorant and bigoted for people to deny equality. I could never do that.

not saying YOU would do that just saying in general, i could never deny somebody that based on my religion because i instantly think what if some other religion out numbder me one day and denied me rights? america would no longer be america really quick thats all.

what i suggest to those people is that they go home and thank god like i do they live in a country where they have the freedom to have their god because in many cases thats not how it is.

thats all

4.) me neither over simply having them, its one of our most important rights but many people want to force them on others and those are the hypocrites that need to get it together. and im talkign the extremist not little things.Too many people also pick and choose what beliefs they want to super enforce and what ones "dont really count"

my religion is for ME and MINE, thats it, it is a guide for me to do right and get to a better place if im lucky

but to many people use it as a stepping stone of judgement and a tool to look down on others etc. The exact opposite of what religion is for.

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Believe me, there are plenty of judgmental non believers as well. I think people will inform their politics with their own moral code whatever it's based on and I don't think religion influencing politics is wrong or even different than what everyone else does. Someone here once suggested that religious people not be allowed to hold political office or even vote. Where were you being equally offended by that position? :2razz:

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X Factor said:

1.)Believe me, there are plenty of judgmental non believers as well.
2.)I think people will inform their politics with their own moral code whatever it's based on and I don't think religion influencing politics is wrong or even different than what everyone else does.
3.) Someone here once suggested that religious people not be allowed to hold political office or even vote. Where were you being equally offended by that position? :2razz:

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1.) oh absolutely! theres no doubt about that, i wasnt trying to imply its one sided at all
2.) again influence is fine by me just to ruling.
3.) offened? no
do i think that view is asinine, retarded and just as bad as the other side extremists? absofreakinlutley.

that is equally as bad, everybody votes period and theres nothing wrong with anybody who is religious holding office, but just like everybody there has to be an amount of separation.

the integrity of the office and constitution and rights comes first for that job.

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X Factor said:

Thank you. That's added so much. I totally see now why even giving the issue some thought is completely wrong.

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Truth hurts sometimes.

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trfjr said:

that was a case for equal treatment under the law and discrimination it wasn't to establish marriage as a right

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Marriage was already a right long before Loving.

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AGENT J said:

even when you almost get it right you get it wrong guy, your posting record is stunning

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Your refusal to call out bigotry is stunning.

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Your Star said:

Truth hurts sometimes.

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Yes, it does. And the truth needs to be told: opposition to gay rights is bigotry.

It is moral cowardice to shy away from speaking the truth in this matter simply to be diplomatic. The opponents of gay rights do not deserve to be treated with kid gloves. Their anti-gay attitudes are not worthy of respect.

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I would simply stay at home, and continue to not care about the overplayed non-issue that is SSM.

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Address the OP, not other posters.

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I would vote against discrimination, but not for marriage.

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AGENT J said:

Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all

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Im a libertarian, so I already think that two consenting adults can enter into whatever contract they choose. However, I would not vote to give the federal govt the power to decide what is and isnt 'marriage'. The federal govt only needs to be concerned with defending our lives and freedom. That goes for state govts too. Marriage is a social choice, nothing to do with govt.

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Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them banned from getting legal marriage.

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Is it just me, or is this really a "No" vote?

It seems to me if you're going to ban someone from being banned from getting legally married, you're voting 'Yes' on allowing them to get legally married.

Btw - how is this an "equal rights" issue in the first place? (meh, awaiting the stock answer...)