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If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do [W:72,96,331

If there was a national vote on equal rights for gays what would you do?

  • Vote Yes - granting equal rights and the right to legal marriage

    Votes: 110 82.7%

  • Vote No - denying equal rights and banning them from getting legal marriage

    Votes: 14 10.5%

  • No vote - you simply dont vote at all

    Votes: 9 6.8%
  • Total voters
    133
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
that would be a horrible idea
the legal protections, rights and benefits granted by the marriage contract cant be duplicated. many can with many other contracts but none do the same thing nor are they legaly as binding,

no thanks i want government protecting my contract, spouse, kids and family

a will alone cant even come close to doing that
not to mentions churches have nothing to do with legal marriage or the protections needed for family.
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Today my friend, today. Would I want to go back, no. But if one was getting a divorce, perhaps that would be more simpler. But wait, the church back then didn't recognize divorce. No I just hate having my chain pulled. I will do what I can to help get gay marriages recognized in Georgia, but it is my belief that the federal government has no business telling me or anyone else who can or can't be married, period.
 
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X Factor said:
Thank you. That's added so much. I totally see now why even giving the issue some thought is completely wrong.
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Your whole argument is invalid because you used "That's" incorrectly!

That HAS added so much.
Not
That is added so much.

Maybe next time you will not invalidate your very own existence by making such a ridiculous mistake!!!
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

AGENT J said:
nope not confused at all, what you quoted was what the discussion was about, maybe you should look at the CONTEXT of the conversation you quoted and you wont make that mistake in the future. You're welcome, glad i could clear up your confusion.
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Oh, you are and now you've compounded it. I did look at the context of the conversation thank you very much and was addressing X Factor's response adding credibility to his position. Providing additional evidence which can allow any sane individual with the ability of foresight to read the tea leaves of how this is going to pan out if the current abominable administration is allowed to continue down its chartered course.

Unfortunately, you're lack of comprehending this has befuddled you into thinking that this in some way means that I have posted a position in which I have stated to have and you are asking for proof of a "factual" connection. I never said there was a factual connection, that is a tangible, empiric connection. What I demonstrated successfully is there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to go on to draw the conclusions that I have made. My post reflects the inference through circumstantial evidence and says nothing of empirical evidence. Anyone not confused could have come to this conclusion.

So, as we have now cleared up your confusion on confusion I say can only laugh that you are still confused about who is helping who...
 
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Perotista said:
Today my friend, today. Would I want to go back, no. But if one was getting a divorce, perhaps that would be more simpler. But wait, the church back then didn't recognize divorce. No I just hate having my chain pulled. I will do what I can to help get gay marriages recognized in Georgia, but it is my belief that the federal government has no business telling me or anyone else who can or can't be married, period.
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well since its a legal contract they do but i agree that their criteria is bogus
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

ChezC3 said:
Oh, you are and now you've compounded it. I did look at the context of the conversation thank you very much and was addressing X Factor's response adding credibility to his position. Providing additional evidence which can allow any sane individual with the ability of foresight to read the tea leaves of how this is going to pan out if the current abominable administration is allowed to continue down its chartered course.

Unfortunately, you're lack of comprehending this has befuddled you into thinking that this in some way means that I have posted a position in which I have stated to have and you are asking for proof of a "factual" connection. I never said there was a factual connection, that is a tangible, empiric connection. What I demonstrated successfully is there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to go on to draw the conclusions that I have made. My post reflects the inference through circumstantial evidence and says nothing of empirical evidence. Anyone not confused could have come to this conclusion.

So, as we have now cleared up your confusion on confusion I say can only laugh that you are still confused about who is helping who...
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wow a long deflection post that fails and doenst change your factual mistake nor does it change the fact my reply was in context, good job! lol
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Bodhisattva said:
Your whole argument is invalid because you used "That's" incorrectly!

That HAS added so much.
Not
That is added so much.

Maybe next time you will not invalidate your very own existence by making such a ridiculous mistake!!!
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Damn it. I lose the internet.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

Gardener said:
X-factor's political positions are not based on hatred or bigotry,and he is certainly not a douchebag.

I am as outspoken against homophobia as anybody, but I am able to distinguish between homophobic bigotry and differences of opinions as to particulars. Perhaps you should learn this as well.
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Thank you, my friend. I don't ever expect anyone to speak up for me, especially when I'm expressing something other or different than the popular sentiment (you do know, though, that you run the risk of guilt by association? :D) but I do appreciate it. The really funny thing about it is that I'm not making the argument that several seem to think I am. Even if the concerns I have are 100% legit (and I'm not actually a conspiracy nut ;)), it still, in my mind, is not a compelling enough reason to deny SSM. I guess I don't get why it's so taboo to even want to have a conversation about it, but it's all good.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

AGENT J said:
well not only that their government, rights and laws are a different system AND and this is the most important part, many people have already tried to sue "churches" for discrimination and already failed. Until the constitution goes away theres just about no danger in "churches" being forced
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Constitutional rights only mean anything as long courts are willing to uphold them. Lately, I've seen a trend that suggests to me that religious freedoms are the ones most readily sacrificed (and with popular support it seems). Personally I think we should be watchful over things like that and pay attention to what's going on. I get that that sounds like crazy talk to you, and that's probably going to be all it ever sounds like to you, so really, I don't see any reason for you and me to keep having this discussion.
 
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chromium said:
Florists are a business, not a religion. It's clearly unconstitutional for a church to be forced to perform gay weddings, but hey, there is almost a decade of data in some states. Can you point to a single church that has been forced? Personally i would take my money elsewhere, but it's not the same thing.
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Very few things are clearly unconstitutional any more. I was struck by this when that Florida pastor made his plans to burn the Quran known the first time and one of the Supreme Court justices (let me say that again, a Supreme Court justice, not a lay person or a conspiracy nut) made comments along the lines of how that may not be constitutionally protected speech. Up until then, I thought it was something we all just understood. The Constitution is only as solid as those applying it and I have concerns.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
Very few things are clearly unconstitutional any more. I was struck by this when that Florida pastor made his plans to burn the Quran known the first time and one of the Supreme Court justices (let me say that again, a Supreme Court justice, not a lay person or a conspiracy nut) made comments along the lines of how that may not be constitutionally protected speech. Up until then, I thought it was something we all just understood. The Constitution is only as solid as those applying it and I have concerns.
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True, but If it did happen, it will be in the more liberal states first that already have SSM. That scenario is not coming to alabama anytime soon, unless the couple has a death wish.
 
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AGENT J said:
nope i have my facts were pointed out, you keep posting and denying them and failing
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Guess ill just ignore you then.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

We already had a vote in this state and Gay marriage passed by a substantial margin. Of course we aren't Mississippi, Texas, or Alabama.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

X Factor said:
1.)Constitutional rights only mean anything as long courts are willing to uphold them.
2.) Lately, I've seen a trend that suggests to me that religious freedoms are the ones most readily sacrificed (and with popular support it seems).
3.) Personally I think we should be watchful over things like that and pay attention to what's going on.
4.) I get that that sounds like crazy talk to you, and that's probably going to be all it ever sounds like to you
5.) so really, I don't see any reason for you and me to keep having this discussion.
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1.) I agree
2.) I dont think they are sacrificed at all when it comes to the constitution, are there some nuts out their that want to take my religion and others out of everything? yep absolutely
3.) I agree it should always be watched but i havent seen anything that runs in the yellow so to say
4.) no not at all, worded like that it sounds totally logical. It should be watched and monitored there are fringe nut balls out there that are anti-religion everything,, i agree.
5.) well thats your call but we can always talk about anything you want.

We simply disagree on where the line is.

I do think religious freedom/protections should be watched, I do agree theres extremists out there that are super anti-religion and like to cry about things that dont need cried about.

I do not think "churches" are in any danger at all at being forced to do marriages in this county.

just different lines IMO

your religion is mine too by the way if you dont know.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

jonny5 said:
Guess ill just ignore you then.
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that was an option posts ago but you keep posting in my thread denying the facts and topic. Seems the solution to your posting problem and mistake was found, good job.
When you want to get back on topic let me know.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

I don't vote for same sex marriage any more than I would vote every men's basketball player 6'3" and shorter has the legal right to be a center in men's basketball.
If the 6'3" men's basketball player has the ability to play center and isn't a detriment to the men's team with his center play, the player can play center on a men's basketball team - but it isn't a right to play center..

Same sex 'unions' should have all the rights and responsibilites of 'unions' just like everyone else, but Detroit Tiger fans shouldn't have the legal right to be Boston Red Sox fans or vice versa.

Yeah I know some states' SC judges have ruled otherwise for same sex marriage, but their reasoning isn't valid, and it's ideological. And the majority of American people disagree with the judgement of states' SC judges that decree marriage should be a right for all because otherwise there's discrimination.
 
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Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

cabse5 said:
1.)I don't vote for same sex marriage any more than I would vote every men's basketball player 6'3" and shorter has the legal right to be a center in men's basketball.
If the 6'3" men's basketball player has the ability to play center and isn't a detriment to the men's team with his center play, the player can play center on a men's basketball team - but it isn't a right to play center..

2.) Same sex 'unions' should have all the rights and responsibilites of 'unions' just like everyone else, but Detroit Tiger fans shouldn't have the legal right to be Boston Red Sox fans or vice versa.

3.) Yeah I know some states' SC judges have ruled otherwise for same sex marriage, but their reasoning isn't valid, and it's ideological.
4.) And the majority of American people disagree with the judgement of states' SC judges that decree marriage should be a right for all because otherwise there's discrimination.
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1.) this analogy factually has nothing to do with the topic and doesnt relate in any equal way what so ever

2.) see #1

3.) thats an interesting opinion based on ZERO facts and defeated by facts, laws, rights, and precedence

4.) false but more importantly even if this was true its also meaningless to the discussion.

when it comes to equal rights it wouldnt matter if 90% of the country didnt like it, see womans rights, minority rights and interracial marriage.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

cabse5 said:
I don't vote for same sex marriage any more than I would vote every men's basketball player 6'3" and shorter has the legal right to be a center in men's basketball.
If the 6'3" men's basketball player has the ability to play center and isn't a detriment to the men's team with his center play, the player can play center on a men's basketball team - but it isn't a right to play center..

Same sex 'unions' should have all the rights and responsibilites of 'unions' just like everyone else, but Detroit Tiger fans shouldn't have the legal right to be Boston Red Sox fans or vice versa.

Yeah I know some states' SC judges have ruled otherwise for same sex marriage, but their reasoning isn't valid, and it's ideological. And the majority of American people disagree with the judgement of states' SC judges that decree marriage should be a right for all because otherwise there's discrimination.
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Wow.....that's some twisted logic there.
Talk about an apples to triangles comparison.

I have no clue where you stand on SSM.

Are you saying gay people should have the right to marry (legal definition - not religious definition) or not?
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
1.) no its not against me at all, i have nothing to do with it and the court cases looking at this already disagree with you. Equality wasnt and isnt being granted.
should we have said the same things to minorities, slaves and women? thats dumb.

2.) yes you factually are because theres nothing to debate, just the question needs answered.
equal rights and marriage is one in the same also decided by court cases.

you opinion otherwise is whats immaterial to the thread and question.
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Ok, here is my answer. Would I vote for equal rights, Yes. Would I vote for homosexual marriage, No, it has absolutely nothing to do with equal rights but who gets to benefit from a pre-existing inequality. Your question and answers attempt to inaccurately connect the two when they are separate issues.

If they don't like the way things are, then fund research to find the cause, create a cure and fix it.
 
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DVSentinel said:
1.)Ok, here is my answer. Would I vote for equal rights, Yes.
2.) Would I vote for homosexual marriage, No,
3.)it has absolutely nothing to do with equal rights but who gets to benefit from a pre-existing inequality.
4.) Your question and answers attempt to inaccurately connect the two when they are separate issues.
5.) If they don't like the way things are, then fund research to find the cause, create a cure and fix it.
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1.) good thank you for answering
2.) sorry they factually cant be separated
3.) facts, the law, rights and court cases and precedence prove your wrong
4.) see #3 there is no attempt they are connected facts make it that way, if you disagree let us know when you have more than failed opinions on your side.
5.) I have no clue what this is even talking about, research what?

me an many others are very very happy equality is winning and discrimination and or bigotry is losing

if you dont like it theres always russia, HAVE FUN!
 
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AGENT J said:
Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
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The government should stop issuing marriage licenses or give them to anybody who requests them.

vasuderatorrent
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

vasuderatorrent said:
The government should stop issuing marriage licenses or give them to anybody who requests them.

vasuderatorrent
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still got nothing huh?
let me know when you do and you can answer the question.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
still got nothing huh?
let me know when you do and you can answer the question.
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ok I will. Keep waiting.

vasuderatorrent
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
ok I will. Keep waiting.

vasuderatorrent
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I will because its entertaining.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72]

cabse5 said:
I don't vote for same sex marriage any more than I would vote every men's basketball player 6'3" and shorter has the legal right to be a center in men's basketball.
If the 6'3" men's basketball player has the ability to play center and isn't a detriment to the men's team with his center play, the player can play center on a men's basketball team - but it isn't a right to play center. Same sex 'unions' should have all the rights and responsibilites of 'unions' just like everyone else, but Detroit Tiger fans shouldn't have the legal right to be Boston Red Sox fans or vice versa.

Yeah I know some states' SC judges have ruled otherwise for same sex marriage, but their reasoning isn't valid, and it's ideological. And the majority of American people disagree with the judgement of states' SC judges that decree marriage should be a right for all because otherwise there's discrimination.
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Dragonfly, maybe you need help interpreting posts.. Reread the bolded of my post again. It''ll unconfuse you.
 
Re: If there was a National Vote on Equal rights for gays, what would you do. [W:72,

AGENT J said:
Ok for some fantasy reason there's going to be a national vote on equal rights for gays.

Save me all the failed arguments that its not equal rights or it should be left to the states or the government should be out of it all together blah blah blah nonsense, thats in other threads. This is simply about how YOU would vote if this happened.

and yes for the conspiracy theorist out there we will waste time and double down on the first amendment and say of course churches cant be forced to do these legal marriages, even though it has nothing to do with them anyway and this already cant happen.

so there it is, its voting time, what do you do.

Yes - you think gays should have equal rights and the right to legal marriage
No - you dont think they should have equal rights and you want them banned from getting legal marriage.
No vote - you stay home and dont vote at all
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They already have equal rights they want special rights.
 
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