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What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

What does disability mean and who should get it?

  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    Votes: 23 85.2%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
johndylan1 said:
You must break away from your computer screen and look around a little more. There are plenty of sit down jobs for poor. Receptionist comes to mind. I used to work at a plant many years ago that made rubber car and appliance parts. The entire inspection department sat to work. Low skill, low physical requirement job.
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Receptionist is largely a middle-class job. According to ustr.gov, the US economy is 68% service. Factory jobs are not part of the service economy, and according to that statistic, are rare. Even within the 30% non-service, a lot of jobs require standing up, such as working on a farm. Plants are closing across the country because of lower-regulation and cheaper-labor countries. Furthermore, factories are moving towards higher education jobs as technology increases. Unless you live near one of these factories, you're working at Walmart if you don't have a college degree. This American Life interviewed people who couldn't even think of jobs which didn't require standing up, because they were in the "working" class and had very little education.

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Citation: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Compare this with retail:

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Note that the population is rising by about 25 million for the period in these graphs, making the drop even more powerful.
 

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Matt E said:
you're working at Walmart
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Matty "Software Developer"is a position that requires a degree and is a 'sit down job' right ?
Should you be taxed into mediocrity for the failings of others?
 
Gina said:
What do you suppose would happen to them?
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Probably the same thing that happened before we had welfare. People would be forced to look out for themselves and for one another. Families and friends would rely more heavily on one another and churches and charities would help pick up the slack.
 
Gina said:
What do you suppose would happen to them?
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You assume that I or anyone else should care?
See that's the beauty of not having been brainwashed into an altruistic mindset, I needn't be affected by the nuttiness of the left. (Unless you factor in the jackbooted thugs of the IRS?)

Go on you lefties, gnash your teeth and wail at the supposed inequities of the Universe.
For all the good it will do.

My response Gina is: how will forcibly taking from one citizen that which he or she has honestly earned under the guise of caring for (insert and endless series of imagined disadvantaged classes of people)
make this a better nation or serve the cause of freedom?

wage slaves may still have a lot of blood yet to be squeezed from them, is there a limit?
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Matty "Software Developer"is a position that requires a degree and is a 'sit down job' right ?
Should you be taxed into mediocrity for the failings of others?
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I know someone who knows someone who has maybe 20 years of real-world software development experience, but has to get a degree because no one will give him a job (he had never gotten a computer science degree to begin with). Most white collar jobs are like this. The problem is that there are so many people coming out of college, and they get automatic preference. Everyone else, who may have more real world experience, is given lower priority.
 
Rocketman said:
All aboard, another extremist, hell no he does not have cancer, he has more hair than the duck dynasty cast combined, jesus ****ing christ
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Extremist? Are you saying that I am a extremist just because I gave you some useful information that you probably just ignored anyways?

So people with lots of hair are the only ones without cancer? I had thyroid cancer didnt loose any hair, well it did thin a little but you wouldnt know the difference passing by me on the street.


You really are not making a good case at all. All that you have done is showed your own ignorance of the facts. But I knew that as soon as I read your silly biased poll.
 
JC Callender said:
Probably the same thing that happened before we had welfare. People would be forced to look out for themselves and for one another. Families and friends would rely more heavily on one another and churches and charities would help pick up the slack.
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We used to have sanitariums and state mental hospitals filled with people. Those "resources" no longer exist.

You think churches, friends and family have resources that last a life time of a person with disabilities? That's the thing about charity and a family's ability to earn enough to provide the necessities, it's not always there and it ebbs and flows with the economy.
 
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Matt E said:
who may have more real world experience,
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yeah my kid who graduates lawl school next May
has already turned his nose up at a hundred grand a year offer. Guess taxing him confiscatory rates ostensibly to provide for the defective and 'disabled' is something he and those like him will not mind in the least? Bill Gates Micheal Dell and that other guy that died recently didn't have degrees either eh?
 
Matt E said:
I know someone who knows someone who has maybe 20 years of real-world software development experience, but has to get a degree because no one will give him a job (he had never gotten a computer science degree to begin with). Most white collar jobs are like this. The problem is that there are so many people coming out of college, and they get automatic preference. Everyone else, who may have more real world experience, is given lower priority.
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My granddaughter, who graduated earlier this year, has two degrees, both in the health field, one in administration, and the other in biochemistry. She has had to settle for an entry level job in Emergency Admitting, since the hospitals want two to three year's experience! She is being fast-tracked, which is good, but she is getting discouraged since she spent five years getting those degrees! She is wondering whether to go on for her Masters at this point. On the other hand, hospitals in this area are merging, which is eliminating jobs, so she feels fortunate just to have a job. :shrug: :sigh:

Greetings, Matt E. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
My granddaughter, who graduated earlier this year, has two degrees, both in the health field, one in administration, and the other in biochemistry. She has had to settle for an entry level job in Emergency Admitting, since the hospitals want two to three year's experience! She is being fast-tracked, which is good, but she is getting discouraged since she spent five years getting those degrees! She is wondering whether to go on for her Masters at this point. On the other hand, hospitals in this area are merging, which is eliminating jobs, so she feels fortunate just to have a job.
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HAR wait it til Oh-Bammer care kicks in and she's relegated to bedpan doodie for life? We are all going to suffer in this trainwreck but those in the medical industry will have their lives destroyed.
 
Are you a doctor?

Are you their doctor?

No? Then STFU.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
HAR wait it til Oh-Bammer care kicks in and she's relegated to bedpan doodie for life? We are all going to suffer in this trainwreck but those in the medical industry will have their lives destroyed.
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We have told her that with her degree in Business Administration, she doesn't have to work in the health care field, but that's what she wants to do. She is also worried about what might happen when Obamacare kicks in! She is a people person, and would be good at it, but...
 
polgara said:
We have told her that with her degree in Business Administration, she doesn't have to work in the health care field, but that's what she wants to do. She is also worried about what might happen when Obamacare kicks in! She is a people person, and would be good at it, but...
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Don't get discouraged. The medical profession is still growing and will continue to grow. There will be jobs there and with her degrees, she should do well. My "will be a sister-in-law if my brother ever gets his **** together" is working on her next step nursing degree, fully paid for by her employer, and from what I understand this is very common in the medical profession, so if she decides to go for a higher degree, she should have the chance.
 
There are attorneys that specialize in setting people up with disability payments whether they need them or not. I talked to one last year after hearing their commercials on the radio. The attorney walked me right thru it even after I told her I owned a business and worked 50+ hours a week. She informed me that I would have to work less than 20 hours a week, but since I'm salaried that would be easy enough to state. So then she started asking me about pain. Oh course I have pain. I've been an auto mechanic for 26 years. She asked if I sleep thru the night. I usually wake up at about 3 am, apparently that is worthy of disability payments. When I told her I didn't feel comfortable taking disability payments for what I would consider normal for a 44 year old working guy, she cheerfully told me to call back when I changed my mind, and said the benefits would be even better next year.
 
Redress said:
Don't get discouraged. The medical profession is still growing and will continue to grow. There will be jobs there and with her degrees, she should do well. My "will be a sister-in-law if my brother ever gets his **** together" is working on her next step nursing degree, fully paid for by her employer, and from what I understand this is very common in the medical profession, so if she decides to go for a higher degree, she should have the chance.
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It just seems a shame that with the growing population, now is not the best time to have trained health care people wonder if they have made the best career choice! We're going to need all the good interested people we can find, IMO!

Greetings, Redress. :2wave:.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
You assume that I or anyone else should care?
See that's the beauty of not having been brainwashed into an altruistic mindset, I needn't be affected by the nuttiness of the left. (Unless you factor in the jackbooted thugs of the IRS?)

Go on you lefties, gnash your teeth and wail at the supposed inequities of the Universe.
For all the good it will do.

My response Gina is: how will forcibly taking from one citizen that which he or she has honestly earned under the guise of caring for (insert and endless series of imagined disadvantaged classes of people)
make this a better nation or serve the cause of freedom?

wage slaves may still have a lot of blood yet to be squeezed from them, is there a limit?
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I figured you don't care for others and you've confirmed that.

The nation is made better by caring for all its citizens. There is abuse in the system, but as it has been stated in this thread, it's about 1% (if I'm not mistaken). We don't have great numbers of people unable to earn a living, languishing in the streets. That is the trait of a 3rd world banana republic, not the beacon of freedom Americans like to claim the U.S. is.
 
Wow, looks like more than a few posters are in the "don't bother me with facts, I've already got my opinion" side of the aisle.

I won't bore y'all by saying what others have already said time and time again, that by simply looking at a person one cannot possibly ascertain whether they are or are not legitimately disabled. Instead I'll go back to the first few pages to point out something to those who were so incensed that individuals sporting Handicapped Parking Permits did not look disabled enought to be stealing our tax money.

Pro-tip: Not everyone who qualifies for a Handicapped Parking Permit actually receives Disability Benefits.

I don't. I have a Handicapped Parking Permit because of a lung condition that causes my blood oxygen level to drop perilously during even routine exertion, such as trying to walk further than 30-40 feet without resting. I have to use oxygen at night (and frequently during the day) to help keep my lungs from seizing. However, y'all will be thrilled to know that I am not receiving Disability payments. So please don't simply presume that anyone with a Handicapped Parking Permit is a blood-sucking disability fraud.

Some of you are just so unkind, unsympathetic, judgmental and self-absorbed that I weep for the human race as a species. When fighting debilitating illness is considered a contemptible weakness while being a mean-spirited, narcissistic asshole is held up as something of which one should be proud and to which one should aspire, well, maybe the zombie apocalypse will end up being a good thing in the long run.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
You assume that I or anyone else should care?
See that's the beauty of not having been brainwashed into an altruistic mindset, I needn't be affected by the nuttiness of the left. (Unless you factor in the jackbooted thugs of the IRS?)

Go on you lefties, gnash your teeth and wail at the supposed inequities of the Universe.
For all the good it will do.

My response Gina is: how will forcibly taking from one citizen that which he or she has honestly earned under the guise of caring for (insert and endless series of imagined disadvantaged classes of people)
make this a better nation or serve the cause of freedom?

wage slaves may still have a lot of blood yet to be squeezed from them, is there a limit?
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I answered that for you earlier. Not only does one consider it a moral imperative, but it also benefits society, and encourages that conservative philosophy you so dearly love. Would you prefer changing up the formula a bit to achieve that goal, or prefer to have bodies on the ground? If the latter, hedonists like yourself should just pack up and move to an island by themselves, because all they are doing is using our collective resources and refusing to participate in society.
 
It means you cannot work and support your self or others.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Yeah Rocky why in the hell do you think you've a right to the fruits of your labors?
Doncha know these disabled folks are another excuse to make you a slave to the State?
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You're old. Why don't you try starving when you're too old to work and let us know how that goes for you?

After all, I mean, you wouldn't want us to be enslaved to feed your old ass.
 
DiAnna said:
Wow, looks like more than a few posters are in the "don't bother me with facts, I've already got my opinion" side of the aisle.

I won't bore y'all by saying what others have already said time and time again, that by simply looking at a person one cannot possibly ascertain whether they are or are not legitimately disabled. Instead I'll go back to the first few pages to point out something to those who were so incensed that individuals sporting Handicapped Parking Permits did not look disabled enought to be stealing our tax money.

Pro-tip: Not everyone who qualifies for a Handicapped Parking Permit actually receives Disability Benefits.

I don't. I have a Handicapped Parking Permit because of a lung condition that causes my blood oxygen level to drop perilously during even routine exertion, such as trying to walk further than 30-40 feet without resting. I have to use oxygen at night (and frequently during the day) to help keep my lungs from seizing. However, y'all will be thrilled to know that I am not receiving Disability payments. So please don't simply presume that anyone with a Handicapped Parking Permit is a blood-sucking disability fraud.

Some of you are just so unkind, unsympathetic, judgmental and self-absorbed that I weep for the human race as a species. When fighting debilitating illness is considered a contemptible weakness while being a mean-spirited, narcissistic asshole is held up as something of which one should be proud and to which one should aspire, well, maybe the zombie apocalypse will end up being a good thing in the long run.
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Does that guy look disabled?

Well he is. At one time his heart was functioning at 10% EF

It was not very much fun to go through nor is it very much fun to live with.
 
Redress said:
The medical profession is still growing and will continue to grow
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everything taken over by the government grows
like an untreated cancer
but that doesn't mean its a good thing
 
AngryOldGuy said:
good thing he didn't have to appeal to a death panel for treatment ;)
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If you want to call it a death panel so be it. There are qualifications one must meet if they going into a heart transplant program though.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
everything taken over by the government grows
like an untreated cancer
but that doesn't mean its a good thing
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I think you might want to learn about what is actually in ACA.. CLUE: a government takeover isn't.
 
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