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What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

What does disability mean and who should get it?

  • who cares, it is unmanagable

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Uncompetitive does not make you disabled, jesus christ!

Being unable to work continuously at a full time job due to physical and/or mental limitations. Is that better terminology? It's not difficult to grasp.
 
if they are truly disabled how can they maintain anything, why not maintain a job?

"Disabled" does not mean bed ridden quadriplegic.

I mow my lawn, because, well, sometimes it needs mowed and there is no one else to do it. It's not like disability pay allows you to hire a lawn service.
 
I saw him get into his truck and drive off.

This just isn't one incident, seen it dozens of times and so have tens of thousands of others. It goes on all over America. Why do you think people are pissed off ?

What will piss you off, if you break your leg and have a cast on your leg you can't park in the handicap space. Since a broken leg is a temporary disability you can't get one of those blue ADA cards.

What year is the Navy suppose to have those ADA aircraft parking spaces on carrier flight decks ? You think I'm BSing you, don't you ?

Same person? I doubt it. And since you didn't see him park, you have no idea if there wasn't someone with him that was handicap that he left there to do shopping. Or maybe he has some disability that you don't know about, such as a clotting disorder. You are simply assuming that he is taking advantage because, from what I have seen of your posts, you are a negative, glass-is-always-half-empty sort of person. You just don't know.

Oh, and you should know that the military hospitals, at least Tripler, gives out "stork" placards to mothers-to-be during their third trimester. The NEX/Commissaries on Oahu have signs that are just past the handicap parking for them. Temporary too, but still something that helps.

Since I am for civil service of some sort, including military service, being required for certain "benefits"/"rights" of citizenship, sort of like Starship Troopers, then that would include finding a way for any person, handicapped or not, to serve in some capacity. Probably not onboard warships, but definitely doing something.
 
Actually my dad drove truck for many years with a peg leg, until the federal government went to the CDL and didn't allow waivers for artificial limbs. Due to his age at the time, the VA changed his disability rating to 100% based upon employability because he was too old to be retrained for a new career.

That sounds like an interesting story that needs to be told.
 
Okay but if she's running errands while he's not with her, hence his mobility isn't an issue, she should, imo, park normally.

Actually, some places, if you get caught using someone else's placard/plate when you are not disabled, you can be ticketed. Cops are just too busy with other crap to worry about it though.
 
Same person? I doubt it. And since you didn't see him park, you have no idea if there wasn't someone with him that was handicap that he left there to do shopping. Or maybe he has some disability that you don't know about, such as a clotting disorder. You are simply assuming that he is taking advantage because, from what I have seen of your posts, you are a negative, glass-is-always-half-empty sort of person. You just don't know.

Oh, and you should know that the military hospitals, at least Tripler, gives out "stork" placards to mothers-to-be during their third trimester. The NEX/Commissaries on Oahu have signs that are just past the handicap parking for them. Temporary too, but still something that helps.

Since I am for civil service of some sort, including military service, being required for certain "benefits"/"rights" of citizenship, sort of like Starship Troopers, then that would include finding a way for any person, handicapped or not, to serve in some capacity. Probably not onboard warships, but definitely doing something.

Rougenuke, either your a wanabe barracks lawyer or your trolling.

The ADA system is full of fraud just like the VA.
 
Rougenuke, either your a wanabe barracks lawyer or your trolling.

The ADA system is full of fraud just like the VA.

There is plenty of fraud in both, not denying that. I am denying that you saw actual fraud just because you saw a snapshot of somebody doing one activity. You assume this person is a fraud and cheating the ADA system simply because he doesn't match your ideal/image of what "disabled" is or what disabled people should or should not do.
 
A person is disabled to a greater or lesser degree when physical or mental attributes outside of their control cause them to be less or uncompetitive in the job market.




Also, sometimes the medications that they are on to control or treat the disability, makes it unsafe for them to hold a job...
 
Not your call, you aren't the doctor, you don't know their disability. Not all disabilities are easy to spot, trust me, I've had to deal with hundreds of ADA and ADAAA accommodations over the years, it's not your call, not your business, don't be the snoopy neighbor that passes judgement without all the facts.

in all fairness, if he is paying more in taxes, cost of service etc due to bogus disability claims, he has a right to comment
 
I went to Spokane a while back to pick up a stove from a guy on Craigs List. He said he wouldn't be able to help me load it because he was disabled so I assumed he was in a wheel chair. When I got there he was walking around fine and when I was having a problem getting the stove in the back of my pickup he finally pitched in and helped. I sure could not see any disability.
 
He did address the thread. He addressed what is at the very heart of this thread. You are not qualified to determine if anyone's claims of being disabled are legitimate unless 1- you are a medical profession 2- you have access to their records. So you can jump up and down about the cheaters all you want but your observations and judgments alone do not substantiate your claim.

they have twice this year, as two people I called attention to lost their benefits, people like you look the other way when people cheat the taxpayers, I am not one of them
 
Not your call, you aren't the doctor, you don't know their disability. Not all disabilities are easy to spot, trust me, I've had to deal with hundreds of ADA and ADAAA accommodations over the years, it's not your call, not your business, don't be the snoopy neighbor that passes judgement without all the facts.

turned in 2, both lost their benefits, there will be more. The guy today won't be one of them because of his heart condition, yet he can mow grass and work in tobacco, lying sack of ****.
 
DMV and Oakland Police Crackdown on Disabled Placard Abuse
NBC Bay Area shadowed a team of DMV and OPD enforcement officers to catch and confront placard abusers. Nearly one in five placards were used illegally.

DMV and Oakland Police Crackdown on Disabled Placard Abuse | NBC Bay Area


Using the legal system for personal gain
In recent years, some California disability activists have abused the ADA by filing thousands of frivolous lawsuits against small and large business in a shakedown for money, rather than encouraging businesses to provide better access to the disabled.

Disabilities Act lawsuit abuse divides activists | CalWatchDog

Parapalegic jumps from wheelchair to run from police!

An activist who reportedly filed a number of disabled accessibility lawsuits miraculously jumped from her motorized wheelchair to evade police and fraud investigators!


ADA Abuse

America’s broken disability system

I once asked a man in his 30’s why he was on disability. He had fallen attempting to ford a swift stream while fishing. He replied: “Well, the judge said I have a bad attitude, I don’t like people and I can’t hold a job.” Shocking as it sounds, it wasn’t very different from other reasons I’ve heard. “I don’t remember, my Dad put me on it.” “I have anxiety.” “I have back pain.” (In ER because he fell from his horse.)


Physicians and social workers, who deal with more than theories and studies, more than ‘rights’ and ’social contracts,’ know the truth. The disability system in America is terribly broken. As the administration points its finger at physicians who commit Medicare fraud, it would be more enlightening to point fingers at the untold numbers of individuals with false, or at least spurious, disability claims.

Granted, this is a difficult thing to bring up, much less quantify. One will be summarily charged with cruelty, greed or intolerance for merely suggesting that a well-appearing, motorcycle riding patient, on full disability at age 25, might not need government support. Studies are seldom done in the progressive halls of academia to highlight the abuse of a government entitlement. These, after all, fly in the face of our national academic, political and regulatory ideology, according to which the individual is always the victim, and the state (i.e. taxpayer) is always required to be the savior and patron...

America's broken disability system
 
I will say that case doesn't seem pass the sniff test.



I will say you have to watch your judgment with the placards. I have been mouthed off at several times (plus countless awful looks). I will park in a handicapped spot, help my into the store with her oxygen and get her set up on a motorized scooter. I finish up my shopping so I can hurry back into the store and help my mom back to the car. That is when I get mouthed off at. One gal actually waited at my parking spot to make sure I came out with my aged mobility impaired supplemental oxygen using mother. At least she could apologize.:lamo



I agree, but on some level we have to acknowledge that there are many more people on disability than need to be - gaming the system.

But I do suppose the person in the OP could have been in the terminal stages of cancer doing his bucket list.

you would be wrong, he does not have cancer. I have been eating with this guy for 2.5 to 3 years, just found out today that he was on disability, I assumed he worked a normal job but i was wrong
 
Again, you likely do not know why that person qualified for SSDI and you are not in that position to make the determination. Just because they are disabled doesn't mean that they have to shut themselves in their homes and have someone care for them in every menial task.

Who said that? trouble reading? perhaps you should file
 
I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.

I think it definitely needs to be overhauled. Too much fraud and waste. Not enough following up to make sure that people aren't cheating the system. I can't say what it would take to fix it though.
 
That sounds like an interesting story that needs to be told.

VA rates upon physical disabilities and employability.

He is 100% due to employability, around 70% otherwise.
I'm 100% due to physical problems, no employability rating. So, since I haven't actually applied for Social Security benefits, I could take a job if I was able to find one I was capable of doing and it would not affect my VA disability.

The lower part of his left leg, below the knee, was shot off in an accident while in the Army. His right leg was severely injured also but the saved it by fusing the bones in his right ankle. Because he cannot move either ankle, he actually appears to walk fairly normal or at least he did before age/time started causing more problems related to his accident, like the fused bone breaking and not being able to heal because the fusing process killed the bone. After getting out of the army, he drove truck for most of his life. Then the government wanted to regulate overall instead of relying on individual states to regulate trucking and created the national licensing called a CDL to curb abuses. At the time they did it, there was no waiver for artificial limbs. If you had one, you couldn't have a CDL. I don't know if it is still that way or not. But because he was too old, he could not get vocational retraining either, he was too close to retirement age. His job wasn't taken away due to the job market, it was taken away by the government. Luckily, he was able to get an upgrade from the VA due to employability.
 
Figure look on the bright side. If someone did that to me, they'd be eligible to "milk the system", too.

or you might have a legitimate excuse to be on it, it wasn't random. I have sat at the coffee shop with this guy for years now, just found about hsi SSDI today
 
Who said that? trouble reading? perhaps you should file

You're the one wanting to strip people their benefits because they have the audacity to mow their own lawns and have a bike ride.

Lastly, what did you mean by that last bit?
 
Being unable to work continuously at a full time job due to physical and/or mental limitations. Is that better terminology? It's not difficult to grasp.

SO if that same person can work all day around the yard or in field is that different in your opinion? It is not difficult to grasp.
 
You're the one wanting to strip people their benefits because they have the audacity to mow their own lawns and have a bike ride.

For a ****ing week 1200 miles from home? are you really that naive?
 
Three times in my life docs told me I was permanently disabled. It is very easy to get on disability especially anything with your back or knees.

Me too, I was told the same thing back in 85', I was pissed he asked and then thought who would do that.
 
For a ****ing week 1200 miles from home? are you really that naive?

We already established that about you.

Now, please tell me what you meant by "Trouble reading? perhaps you should file."
 
"Disabled" does not mean bed ridden quadriplegic.

I mow my lawn, because, well, sometimes it needs mowed and there is no one else to do it. It's not like disability pay allows you to hire a lawn service.

its not like it keeps you from doing other things either
 
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