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What does disability mean to you and who qualifies?

What does disability mean and who should get it?

  • It means unmanagable pain and those people should get it

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • It means one might get a chance to retire early and play

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • It is another way to fleece taxpayers and no one should get it

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • who cares, it is unmanagable

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • who cares, it is insignificant expenditure for the US

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • It should be completely overhauled, re-written, and inspected for cheaters

    Votes: 23 85.2%
  • Total voters
    27
  • Poll closed .
Rocketman

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I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
 
You also don't have their medical records.
 
Rocketman said:
I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
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It's like that guy I saw this morning at the Home Depot parked in the handicap zone with one of those blue ADA cards hanging from his rear view mirror who was loading 16, 100 pound bags of concrete into the back of his pick-up truck.
 
When you need a chest harness and a helmet to keep from hurting yourself.
 
APACHERAT said:
It's like that guy I saw this morning at the Home Depot parked in the handicap zone with one of those blue ADA cards hanging from his rear view mirror who was loading 16, 100 pound bags of concrete into the back of his pick-up truck.
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yes! Finally someone that gets it, I always say something to those guys, as I did the horse rider today.
 
Rocketman said:
Irrelevent, fraud is part of the medical profession
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Ah, no. Very much relevant. You, Joe Bob Smith, don't have access to, nor are allowed access to, Jane Jackson's medical records to determine that she is not disabled or is disqualified.
 
Fiddytree said:
Ah, no. Very much relevant. You, Joe Bob Smith, don't have access to, nor are allowed access to, Jane Jackson's medical records to determine that she is not disabled or is disqualified.
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irrelevant, doctors like getting paid, now address the thread
 
A person is disabled to a greater or lesser degree when physical or mental attributes outside of their control cause them to be less or uncompetitive in the job market.
 
Rocketman said:
I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
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You ought to try watching court TV -- honest to GOD, so many people are on disability these days, it's staggering.

I voted "It should be completely overhauled...."

I can't stand to see law firms advertising on TV for clients . . . "Been turned down for disability?? Call Dewie Cheatum and Howe today!!!"

Agoraphobia -- and they're on People's Court. Incapacitating back injury, and they're moonlighting as movers. Oh, please!!!
 
Rocketman said:
irrelevant, doctors like getting paid, now address the thread
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Rocketman, if you are going to presume people are frauds, and some undoubtedly are, you can't really do it off the basis that you saw some guy and he didn't "look" disabled. It doesn't (nor should it) work that way.

I would address your thread, but you have no options that are worth a dang.
 
Yes, there is a lot of fraud in disability.

However, there is a screening process and it isn't easy... in fact people that NEED to be on Disability often find it hard to get it, and spend months or years before they get anything.


Also, people can have serious health issues that will keep them from holding down most jobs... where you have to come in every day without fail and do full workload... but they can still have "good days and bad days" where sometimes they can do things you might expect of a healthy person, and sometimes they can't. Most employers won't accept an employee who is going to be randomly absent from work 10 to 20 days a month due to health issues.


Just sayin'... it can be more complex than readily meets the eye sometimes.
 
Rocketman said:
I met another "disabled person" this morning that was loading up for a week trip to go horseback riding in Missouri. How disabled could that person really be, horses are alot of trouble and require high amounts of physical labor for care.

It is becoming sickening seeing these types basically on early retirement while the rest of us work.
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About 2/3 of the time if you saw my mom you would never know she is disabled. The rest of the time as she cannot even stand up straight it is not so hard to tell. Unless you are a doctor who has examined a person, no one cares whether you think they are disabled.
 
KevinKohler said:
A person is disabled to a greater or lesser degree when physical or mental attributes outside of their control cause them to be less or uncompetitive in the job market.
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This ^^^.

Which is not an option in your poll.

I don't know why you settled on pain being the only factor. Impaired physical and/or mental function are also determinants. All are not always visible to the casual observer.

There is always fraud, but all those designated with disabilities are not frauds.
 
Redress said:
About 2/3 of the time if you saw my mom you would never know she is disabled. The rest of the time as she cannot even stand up straight it is not so hard to tell. Unless you are a doctor who has examined a person, no one cares whether you think they are disabled.
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Working people that see these people taking advantage of the system care. The statute reads and I quote "IF you are physically able to perform ANY job you aren't qualified for disability"
 
Gina said:
This ^^^.

Which is not an option in your poll.

I don't know why you settled on pain being the only factor. Impaired physical and/or mental function are also determinants. All are not always visible to the casual observer.

There is always fraud, but all those designated with disabilities are not frauds.
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Uncompetitive does not make you disabled, jesus christ!
 
Rocketman said:
Uncompetitive does not make you disabled, jesus christ!
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To qualify for Disability, the definition is strict, and defined under able-employment. As a diagnostic category, however, disability is a great deal more broad.
 
Rocketman said:
Working people that see these people taking advantage of the system care. The statute reads and I quote "IF you are physically able to perform ANY job you aren't qualified for disability"
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You have no clue if some one is taking advantage of the system. None. Just because some one got a better parking spot than you is not a reason to get pissed.
 
Rocketman said:
Working people that see these people taking advantage of the system care. The statute reads and I quote "IF you are physically able to perform ANY job you aren't qualified for disability"
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Obviously that can't be correct.

Anybody who can sit and use their hands could be a computer guy.... IF they knew how. However people can be on disability for things that would not prevent them from sitting and typing on a keyboard... and this makes sense.

Take some guy who barely graduated high school and spends the next 20 years working the loading dock, but he hurts his back. He's no longer able to lift anything heavy most days; driving for more than an hour causes severe pain; etc. Well, he's effectively disabled for any job he could actually GET, given his education and experience. I suppose we could try to retrain him as a computer programmer but honestly if he barely passed HS and spent 20 yrs on the dock how well is that likely to go? (not too very)
 
Fiddytree said:
To qualify for Disability, the definition is strict, and defined under able-employment. As a diagnostic category, however, disability is a great deal more broad.
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The statute reads "if you can perform ANY job, you can't qualify for disability" now you see people drawing and working and it is legal according to todays government.

I will keep giving these people hell, I doubt the horse rider will be back.
 
Redress said:
You have no clue if some one is taking advantage of the system. None. Just because some one got a better parking spot than you is not a reason to get pissed.
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Seeing them on a tractor, boating, or on a motorcyle is.
 
Goshin said:
Obviously that can't be correct.

Anybody who can sit and use their hands could be a computer guy.... IF they knew how. However people can be on disability for things that would not prevent them from sitting and typing on a keyboard... and this makes sense.

Take some guy who barely graduated high school and spends the next 20 years working the loading dock, but he hurts his back. He's no longer able to lift anything heavy most days; driving for more than an hour causes severe pain; etc. Well, he's effectively disabled for any job he could actually GET, given his education and experience. I suppose we could try to retrain him as a computer programmer but honestly if he barely passed HS and spent 20 yrs on the dock how well is that likely to go? (not too very)
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I am on a computer now, do excel, ppt, and various word documents and did learn it in college
 
APACHERAT said:
It's like that guy I saw this morning at the Home Depot parked in the handicap zone with one of those blue ADA cards hanging from his rear view mirror who was loading 16, 100 pound bags of concrete into the back of his pick-up truck.
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Was he by himself or possibly have a disabled passenger. It doesn't have to be the driver that disabled.
 
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Rocketman said:
The statute reads "if you can perform ANY job, you can't qualify for disability" now you see people drawing and working and it is legal according to todays government.

I will keep giving these people hell, I doubt the horse rider will be back.
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Look, if I had someone randomly come up to me and claim that I did not deserve the accommodations or benefits I receive under a completely different program or institution (as I never applied for this program, but have for others), because I did not "look" disabled to them, I would tell them to "get f*cked."
 
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