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So Who Won?

Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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Henrin said:
The republicans are the majority in the house. The majority in the house not funding a certain part of the budget is not the minority holding the country hostage. It's actually how the house is supposed to work.
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The majority elected the president....and congress is worthless if it can't pass bills that the president can or will sign into law. The republicans only control one third of the government and that still makes them a minority.
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Moot said:
The majority elected the president....and congress is worthless if it can't pass bills that the president can or will sign into law. The republicans only control one third of the government and that still makes them a minority.
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They are in control of all spending bills. That puts them in charge over the matter and the key player in the affair. Everyone had to play by their rules or not play at all.

As for president being re-elected, with both candidates basically supporting obamacare and the polls all being against the law it's not possible that the election was a referendum on obamacare.
 
Dickieboy said:
Ok, what was the 2010 election a referendum on?...Oh and the Republicans won...that's just a fact, too...
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Citizens United and Freedom Works. The republicans didn't win the 2010 election.......the Koch's tea party did.
 
Henrin said:
They are in control of all spending bills. That puts them in charge over the matter and the key player in the affair. Everyone had to play by their rules or not play at all.

As for president being re-elected, with both candidates basically supporting obamacare and the polls all being against the law it's not possible that the election was a referendum on obamacare.
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The Constitution (article 1, section 7) empowers the House to originate revenue bills. Spending can originate in either house...BUT modern convention is that they originate in the House.
 
Henrin said:
They are in control of all spending bills. That puts them in charge over the matter and the key player in the affair. Everyone had to play by their rules or not play at all.

As for president being re-elected, with both candidates basically supporting obamacare and the polls all being against the law it's not possible that the election was a referendum on obamacare.
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Doesn't the Senate still have to pass the spending bills and the president still have to sign the spending bills into law? The House is still only one third of the government.
 
Dickieboy said:
Ok, what was the 2010 election a referendum on?...Oh and the Republicans won...that's just a fact, too...
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The 2010 election was basically about passage of the ACA when 58% of America opposed it. It was the electorate's way of telling those Representatives and Senators that they need to listen to what the people say who sent them to Washington in the first place, 63 D seats were lost in the House and 6 senate seats due to the fact the people didn't like being told to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

now having said that, all 2010 proved was the American people were more fed up of the democrats than the republicans. The republicans took it as a mandate which they were totally wrong. When you send someone to Washington, you expect your representative and senator to listen to you at least on some big key issues. The Democrats didn't and paid the price. This election didn't mean the people liked the republicans, it just mean less people disliked them.

2012 was a status quo election as I like to call it. For some reason the dislike of both parties and presidential candidates were about the same. Since no party stood out as the most disliked party, the Republicans kept the House, the Democrats the Senate and the presidency.

2014 we will see, no prediction yet as I think the Republicans shot themselves in the butt with this shutdown, but how long that will last is probably not too long.

When ever a party wins an election, for some reason they see it as a mandate and not what it really was. The two parties need to wake up or sometime soon a third party will arise to bite them in the butt. Only 30% of the people now consider, affiliate, identify themselves with the Democratic Party, that means 70% are telling them to take a hike. But what saves the Democrats and makes the the least worst party is that only 20% consider themselves, affiliate or identify with them. That is 80% who would like to see them take a hike.

Fact is neither party is loved, just put up with and maybe pretty soon, those fed up will take matters in their own hands and form a viable third party.
 
Moot said:
Citizens United and Freedom Works. The republicans didn't win the 2010 election.......the Koch's tea party did.
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Ambiguous...there was a national referendum on 'Citizens United and Freedom Works'...really? If one were to take a poll questioning folks if they knew what either of these were how do you think that would work out?...Koch brothers 'boogie man'...tired!

I suspected this type response...
 
Moot said:
Doesn't the Senate still have to pass the spending bills and the president still have to sign the spending bills into law? The House is still only one third of the government.
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Doesn't really matter. They have to agree to the houses terms.
 
Perotista said:
The 2010 election was basically about passage of the ACA when 58% of America opposed it. It was the electorate's way of telling those Representatives and Senators that they need to listen to what the people say who sent them to Washington in the first place, 63 D seats were lost in the House and 6 senate seats due to the fact the people didn't like being told to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

now having said that, all 2010 proved was the American people were more fed up of the democrats than the republicans. The republicans took it as a mandate which they were totally wrong. When you send someone to Washington, you expect your representative and senator to listen to you at least on some big key issues. The Democrats didn't and paid the price. This election didn't mean the people liked the republicans, it just mean less people disliked them.

2012 was a status quo election as I like to call it. For some reason the dislike of both parties and presidential candidates were about the same. Since no party stood out as the most disliked party, the Republicans kept the House, the Democrats the Senate and the presidency.

2014 we will see, no prediction yet as I think the Republicans shot themselves in the butt with this shutdown, but how long that will last is probably not too long.

When ever a party wins an election, for some reason they see it as a mandate and not what it really was. The two parties need to wake up or sometime soon a third party will arise to bite them in the butt. Only 30% of the people now consider, affiliate, identify themselves with the Democratic Party, that means 70% are telling them to take a hike. But what saves the Democrats and makes the the least worst party is that only 20% consider themselves, affiliate or identify with them. That is 80% who would like to see them take a hike.

Fact is neither party is loved, just put up with and maybe pretty soon, those fed up will take matters in their own hands and form a viable third party.
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This is consistent with my opinion entirely. But 'others' walk out this tired '2012 election was a referendum on PPACA' relentlessly...how quickly some forget the shellacking...
 
Wasn't it nice of the Senate Republicans to do the work specifically outlined in the Constitution for the House to do??
And to think the 'think-tanks' ordered Repubs to vote No again today..
Rand Paul and his legion will rue this vote, while normal Repubs get TP'd.
Moot said:
Doesn't the Senate still have to pass the spending bills and the president still have to sign the spending bills into law? The House is still only one third of the government.
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NIMBY said:
Wasn't it nice of the Senate Republicans to do the work specifically outlined in the Constitution for the House to do??
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What would that be specifically?
 
Dickieboy said:
Ambiguous...there was a national referendum on 'Citizens United and Freedom Works'...really? If one were to take a poll questioning folks if they knew what either of these were how do you think that would work out?...Koch brothers 'boogie man'...tired!

I suspected this type response...
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Yeah, I know what you mean...it's like the conservatives using Soros against liberals for the last 10 or 15 years. The irony is he wasn't really that influential and most liberals had never heard of him.

However, if the Koch's are the main source of the funding and plotting to get the tea party elected in congress then why should we pretend they aren't? You can dismiss it all you want but that won't change the fact the Koch's are the reason that congress is disfunctional and you can trace their influence right back to the 2010 election and all those organized shout downs at townhalls that preceded it.
 
Who voted last tonite??
Dickieboy said:
What would that be specifically?
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Oh, a bill that actually gets 218 votes, any spending bill..
Isn't that one of the specific functions of the House??
Ernst, where are you??
I need your help
 
Moot said:
Yeah, I know what you mean...it's like the conservatives using Soros against liberals for the last 10 or 15 years. The irony is he wasn't really that influential and most liberals had never heard of him.

However, if the Koch's are the main source of the funding and plotting to get the tea party elected in congress then why should we pretend they aren't? The Koch's are the reason congress is disfunctional. You can dismiss it all you want but that won't change the facts.
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You mean facts like...the 2010 election (shellacking) was a referendum on PPACA (that has maintained negative support since inception)?...and not the 2012 election (which you claimed...erroneously)?...then shifted attention from your error to Citizens United, Freedom works and Koch bros...typical
 
NIMBY said:
Wasn't it nice of the Senate Republicans to do the work specifically outlined in the Constitution for the House to do??
And to think the 'think-tanks' ordered Repubs to vote No again today..
Rand Paul and his legion will rue this vote, while normal Repubs get TP'd.
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The Heritiage Foundation was founded and is funded by the Kochs. It's actually more of stink tank than a think tank now that DeMint is in charge.
 
NIMBY said:
Who voted last tonite??
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Congress...?

Oh, a bill that actually gets 218 votes, any spending bill..
Isn't that one of the specific functions of the House??
Ernst, where are you??
I need your help
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You tell me...
Article 1, section 7
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills
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Perhaps you can quote for me the Constitutional section that mandates spending originate in the House...as you claim.

I'll wait...
 
Moot said:
From the Brooke Brother riots, to the organized shout downs at townhall meetings, to holding the country hostage because they couldn't get the votes or win the election to undue a law.......sure looks like bullying to me. And when you plot to shut down the government unless it meets a minorities demands....extortions is just a nicer way to say fascism.
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ok, instead of turning to accurate and factual terms, you decide to double down on hyperbole.

have fun with that.



The democrats offered over 18X to negotiate in the seven months leading up to the deadline and Republicans said no every time....until a few hours before the deadline to make their outrageous demands or they'd shut down the government. That is not negotiations, that's extortion by definition.
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I see you read the National Journal opinion pages.. or you read the liberal blogs that carried that story.

good for you, enjoy that confirmation bias.


I never said the democrats wanted to shut down the government....they weren't really given a choice unless you consider defunding Obamacare a choice...which it wasn't.
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do you not understand how negotiation works?... it's about leverage... funding obamacare was that leverage
there were lots of things that could have been negotiated over to reach a deal...
Democrat were never in fear of losing Obamacare funding.. they are complete retards if they believed they were
what they did was say " well, we're gettin' what we want, and you will get nothing, as usual"... and it worked...again.

The 2012 election was a referendum on Obamacare and the Democrats won...thats just a fact, too. Why should the Democrats negotiate under the gun, what Republicans couldn't win in an election or get enough votes in congress? The only thing the republicans are going to get out of their underhanded shenagins...is booted out of office. Thats all they deserve.
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sorry, not buying your referendum argument.. the numbers aren't there to support that theory....but i do enjoy yet another lefty loving on single party rule ( that's like 6 or 7 of you just today)

you,Obama, and Harry Reid all agree .. the GOP should get nothing, and should just go along with what the Democrats want and STFU. and you all believe , somehow, that's good and proper governance....


I get it, y'all thought that was what the GOP did to you under Bush, so now it's revenge time... and when you are out of power again, it'll be GOP revenge time... and y'all will cry about unfair it is..

one day, I hope to see adults in congress acting like adults... but that's a pipe dream.. Dems and Reps are anything but adults when it comes to governance.
none of your leaders, or the GOP, are fit to lead anything bigger than a lemonade stand... not a single one.
 
They try and deny that the Koch Conferences began in Vail/Palm Springs in 2009 as the beginning of this know-nothing revolution..
Even adjudicated by Thomas/Scalia/Alito..
A who's who of the Repub Bilderbergers..
All the TEAturd governors like Scott, Perry, McDonnell, Kasich, Corbett, Snyder .
Moot said:
The Heritiage Foundation was founded and is funded by the Kochs. It's actually more of stink tank than a think tank now that DeMint is in charge.
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Moot said:
The Heritiage Foundation was founded and is funded by the Kochs. It's actually more of stink tank than a think tank now that DeMint is in charge.
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Why do you persist in telling falsehoods?

The Heritage Foundation was founded in 1973 by Paul Weyrich, Edwin Feulner and Joseph Coors.
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The Heritage Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you should seek therapy for your obvious obsession over the Koch brothers...although this seems to be common to those of your ilk.
 
Moot said:
Citizens United and Freedom Works. The republicans didn't win the 2010 election.......the Koch's tea party did.
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that's sort of sore loserman nonsense. its like saying Obama won in 2008 due to foreign contributions to him and racist blacks who showed up to vote democrat like mindless robots
 
NIMBY said:
They try and deny that the Koch Conferences began in Vail/Palm Springs in 2009 as the beginning of this know-nothing revolution..
Even adjudicated by Thomas/Scalia/Alito..
A who's who of the Repub Bilderbergers..
All the TEAturd governors like Scott, Perry, McDonnell, Kasich, Corbett, Snyder .
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But I thought these 'Koch Conferences' started in ~2003...am I wrong?
 
Dickieboy said:
You mean facts like...the 2010 election (shellacking) was a referendum on PPACA (that has maintained negative support since inception)?...and not the 2012 election (which you claimed...erroneously)?...then shifted attention from your error to Citizens United, Freedom works and Koch bros...typical
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It wasn't grass roots....it was FreedomWorks and Americans for Progress paid operatives using Koch funding to spend millions on lying propaganda and dog whistle campaigns to stir up the bigotry and racism in the ol southern base. The 'southern strategy' is how republicans have been winning elections ever since Nixon. They sure do love their dog whistle campaigns.
 
Moot said:
It wasn't grass roots....it was FreedomWorks and Americans for Progress paid operatives using Koch funding to spend millions on lying propaganda and dog whistle campaigns to stir up the bigotry and racism in the ol southern base. The 'southern strategy' is how republicans have been winning elections ever since Nixon. They sure do love their dog whistle campaigns.
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Your welcome to have your conspiracy theories...but as the President said 'shellacking'...:lamo

ps. How do you explain Tim Scott and Allen West being elected with all this 'bigotry and racism in the ol southern base' and this 'southern strategy'?

go on...you can say it...:lamo
 
TurtleDude said:
that's sort of sore loserman nonsense. its like saying Obama won in 2008 due to foreign contributions to him and racist blacks who showed up to vote democrat like mindless robots
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Are white conservatives racist if they vote for conservative whites? If not, then why are liberal blacks considered racist if they vote for liberal blacks?
 
Dickieboy said:
Your welcome to have your conspiracy theories...but as the President said 'shellacking'...:lamo

ps. How do you explain Tim Scott and Allen West being elected with all this 'bigotry and racism in the ol southern base' and this 'southern strategy'?

go on...you can say it...:lamo
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Did you go into a coma after 2008 or are you just becoming politically aware? Because you don't seem very knowledgable on recent history and current events.
 
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