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So Who Won?

Who Won on the Budget Compromise?

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Every time the debt ceiling/shutdown gets pushed back it's closer to the 2014 elections.

I really doubt House Republicans (the majority of them) want to have this fight before elections. The Tea Partiers in safe districts may be safe...but they'll lose their majority.
 
it doesnt seem to me that anyone won

it is more like a failure on both sides
 
Dickieboy said:
The GOP did. Boehner played a pretty good game. Reid had already agreed to the budget number. By pressing the ACA crap (which EVERYONE PAYING ATTENTION KNEW WOULDN'T WORK) merely satisfied those GOP constituents who were promised that 'we will repeal Obamacare'. By attempting to press defund, device tax, etc. this further exemplified his/their attempt to the base that they tried 'everything they could'. In the end he is back to where he and Reid started, the perception of the GOP wasn't damaged much to those who matter (and those who don't will likely forget prior to Nov'14)...AND the sequester is unchanged INCLUDING the second tranche due to hit Jan 1 (before the next 'deadline').

Yep, mandatory budget cuts (sequester 1/2) and no new taxes...not bad.
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And lets not forget all the campaign commercial ammo that was handed over the republicans who will be tying to un seat democrats come 2014. by then Obama care will be an undisputed failure and those democrats will have allot of explaining to do why they fought so hard to allow the train wreck to happen
 
Democrats got more of what they wanted, definitely. The republicans came out of it getting basically nothing.

And all they really did was kick the can down the road another few months.
 
iliveonramen said:
Every time the debt ceiling/shutdown gets pushed back it's closer to the 2014 elections.

I really doubt House Republicans (the majority of them) want to have this fight before elections. The Tea Partiers in safe districts may be safe...but they'll lose their majority.
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there is no possible way republicans will lose the house even liberal outlet are saying it is very unlikely what dems need to worry about is the senate. the only time the shut down will be remembered a year from now is when the public remembers who where the ones who fought to keep the train wreck of Obama care from happening
 
I don't know who won but I sure know who lost - your country. If anyone thinks it's an accomplishment to push back the discussion for another two to three months, they're nuts.

What it should prove, beyond a doubt, is the mendacity of the President. Anybody want to bet on whether or not Obama "discusses everything" and "has everything on the table" now that he's not "under the gun"?
 
trfjr said:
ive stated this many times before it wasn't about killing Obama care now it was all about drawing a line and showing the American public who was on what side of that line republicans and democrats.
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And we haven't been made aware of that line over the past 3 years?

the only time the shut down will be remembered a year from now is when the public remembers who where the ones who fought to keep the train wreck of Obama care from happening
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It will be forgotten, but it will also be used as a bullet point by opponents of Republicans.
 
molten_dragon said:
Democrats got more of what they wanted, definitely. The republicans came out of it getting basically nothing.

And all they really did was kick the can down the road another few months.
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they got hours of campaign commercial ammo to beat the dems over the head with come 2014 no one will remember the shut down a year from now but they will be experiencing the pain of Obama care and they will remember who fought to keep the train wreck from happening
 
Fiddytree said:
And we haven't been made aware of that line over the past 3 years?



It will be forgotten, but it will also be used as a bullet point by opponents of Republicans.
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and your basing this all on Obama care being successful aren't you?
 
trfjr said:
and your basing this all on Obama care being successful aren't you?
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If you are going to argue for its failure, you have to account for its modest success or its substantial success as well. In the meantime, what will happen is this will be listed as "one of the times" that Republicans stood in the way of "good governance." It is much more difficult for Republicans to argue that this was in their favor.
 
Cardinal said:
This. Is it me or is holding up the budget to extract last minute concessions the new normal?
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At least for the next few years, I suspect.
 
trfjr said:
no one will remember the shut down a year from now
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Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're all hoping. Whether that's actually the case or not remains to be seen.

trfjr said:
but they will be experiencing the pain of Obama care and they will remember who fought to keep the train wreck from happening
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That assumes Obamacare won't be successful. If it is, the republicans are going to look pretty bad.
 
trfjr said:
And lets not forget all the campaign commercial ammo that was handed over the republicans who will be tying to un seat democrats come 2014. by then Obama care will be an undisputed failure and those democrats will have allot of explaining to do why they fought so hard to allow the train wreck to happen
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very possible...we'll see ;)
 
Redress said:
Lets count our chickens before they hatch. A deal has been reached, and the only possible place it might fail is in the house, but it will most likely make it through with some moderate republican votes. So who won? Not in terms of the effects of the bill, but which side got more of what they wanted, got the better deal from the compromise? What details I can find: Senate reaches deal to end shutdown, avoid default - CNN.com



Senate leaders announce tentative budget deal | Fox News




Deal reached to avoid default and open government



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If any one has any better details on the bill, please link them.

So, with what we know now, did republicans or democrats get a better deal on the compromise?
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I don't know and I don't care. All I care about at the moment is a deal has been reached and all 536 elected officials in Washington stopped acting like a bunch of 3 year olds and some finally grew up. Frankly I do not trust the future of our country to any of the 536 elected officials now residing in Washington. This whole thing was needless and irresponsible. I blame the republicans for starting and then the democrats for ensuring it continued for as long as it did. In the end I think, and this is just me with my opinion, I think the mood of a lot of the people in the country and I am not talking about die hard Republicans and Democrats. That that mood among the rest was they were coming to the conclusion that they didn't care who started it, who was to blame for it, they didn't care what the reason were, they reached a point where they just wanted it fixed. It was fast becoming a pox on both houses or should I say chambers.
 
trfjr said:
And lets not forget all the campaign commercial ammo that was handed over the republicans who will be tying to un seat democrats come 2014. by then Obama care will be an undisputed failure and those democrats will have allot of explaining to do why they fought so hard to allow the train wreck to happen
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If you believe Obamacare will be a failure, why are the Republicans trying so hard to end it now? Why wouldn't they just let it happen and pickup the pieces of the Democratic party? The Republicans are afraid Obamacare will be a huge success just like Medicare is now.
 
pbrauer said:
If you believe Obamacare will be a failure, why are the Republicans trying so hard to end it now? Why wouldn't they just let it happen and pickup the pieces of the Democratic party? The Republicans are afraid Obamacare will be a huge success just like Medicare is now.
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Leave it to a liberal to wreck an entire economy for political leverage and an "I told you so" moment.
 
I don't know who won, but I can tell you who lost. The Republicans now have fractured into two irreconcilable factions. They are the big loser in all of this. And they achieved nothing except earning the contempt of everybody except the Tea Party Loons. Way to go guys! With enemies like you, who needs friends?
 
pbrauer said:
If you believe Obamacare will be a failure, why are the Republicans trying so hard to end it now? Why wouldn't they just let it happen and pickup the pieces of the Democratic party? The Republicans are afraid Obamacare will be a huge success just like Medicare is now.
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Because not every politician wants to see their constuituents suffer just to put down the opposing party.
 
Gipper said:
Leave it to the tea party to wreck an entire economy for political leverage and an "I told you so" moment.
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Fixed that for you.
 
clownboy said:
Because not every politician wants to see their constuituents suffer just to put down the opposing party.
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No, just the Tea Party wants that. Some of those clowns actually want the U.S. to default on the debt limit. Of course, they don't teach economics at Jefferson Davis Junior College, so maybe that's why.
 
Gipper said:
Leave it to a liberal to wreck an entire economy for political leverage and an "I told you so" moment.
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Did you miss this whole situation? The potential for disaster far outweighed the potential damage from obamacare. And Republicans where just as complicit in the shutdown as democrats.

The amusing thing about all this is watching conservatives complain about things being shut down during a shutdown they were a major playing in creating, and when the unemployment numbers come in for the month inflated by all those government workers that they helped put out of work, those conservatives will blame Obama for that too.
 
Redress said:
Did the dems get that?
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Well, you have to realize what 'compromise' is to the Tea Party. It's "give us everything we want".
 
pbrauer said:
If you believe Obamacare will be a failure, why are the Republicans trying so hard to end it now? Why wouldn't they just let it happen and pickup the pieces of the Democratic party? The Republicans are afraid Obamacare will be a huge success just like Medicare is now.
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because it was just as much to show the public who where the republicans rinos who were not willing to fight to save them from the train wreck
the biggest problem the republican party is there are to many big government democrats in it. it is the main reason I left the party
 
Redress said:
Did you miss this whole situation? The potential for disaster far outweighed the potential damage from obamacare. And Republicans where just as complicit in the shutdown as democrats.

The amusing thing about all this is watching conservatives complain about things being shut down during a shutdown they were a major playing in creating, and when the unemployment numbers come in for the month inflated by all those government workers that they helped put out of work, those conservatives will blame Obama for that too.
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They didn't play a 'major role' in the shutdown. They were the sole reason for the shutdown with their stupid idea that they could role back Obamacare - a concept that was doomed from the start.
 
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