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Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

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Yeah, I feel I have a right to not be watched continuously by robo-government non-human computer cops that exist to criminalize citizens for the purpose of getting more money for government and causing hundreds of thousands of accidents to do so.

Why do you want 250,000 more rear-end collisions each year? Why do you think you have a right to rear-end a 90 year old or a car full of children?

Congratulations, you just blamed the victim. Fact check time: Almost all cases of rear-end collisions are legally the fault of the person in the rear. You don't wanna get in a rear-end collision? Then don't tailgate, and use your brakes.
 
Are you REALLY that terrified? Seriously. Why aren't you raging that all cars have breathalizers? Alertness detectors? Cell/text phone blockers? You are 100 times more likely to be killed that way.

Oh, that's right. Government wouldn't make money on that, that wouldn't cause accidents and mostly then it would inconvenience you. It isn't about safety at all. Redlight cameras dramatically increase accidents.

Calm down. I can't tell if you're being hysterical or just trolling. The solution to not getting a red light ticket involves three simple words: OBEY THE LAW. Is that too difficult for you?
 
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I asked you a question. What is your answer?
 
Calm down. I can't tell if you're being hysterical or just trolling. The solution to not getting a red light ticket involves three simple words: OBEY THE LAW. Is that too difficult for you?

Why aren't you declaring breathlizers in every car? Alertness detectors and cell phone blockers? Why don't you voluntarily put those in your car? You WANT the right to get drunk and fall asleep while reading texts killing a school bus full of children? Why don't you care about innocent DEATH??!!!!
 
Calm down. I can't tell if you're being hysterical or just trolling. The solution to not getting a red light ticket involves three simple words: OBEY THE LAW. Is that too difficult for you?

It's not that simple at all. Why have you fixated on redlight cameras?
 

Your response is correct. Of itself, running a redlight doesn't potentially endanger anyone. But you are debating a god-government worshipper messages. It's like trying to debate a Jehovah's Witness or a Moonie. You are defying god's laws. Not being 100% submissive to 1,000,000,000 pages of regulations and continuously monitored by computers and cameras makes you a wannabe murderer. :lamo
 
Why aren't you declaring breathlizers in every car? Alertness detectors and cell phone blockers? Why don't you voluntarily put those in your car? You WANT the right to get drunk and fall asleep while reading texts killing a school bus full of children? Why don't you care about innocent DEATH??!!!!

It's not that simple at all. Why have you fixated on redlight cameras?

Protip: When goalpost shifting, be a little less obvious about it. Hint: Look at the OP.
 
Congratulations, you just blamed the victim. Fact check time: Almost all cases of rear-end collisions are legally the fault of the person in the rear. You don't wanna get in a rear-end collision? Then don't tailgate, and use your brakes.
But the facts are that other people, often behind you, WILL tailgate, and if you want to avoid the hassle of dealing with car repair/replacement and possible death, you try to avoid braking hard while the bastards are behind you.
 
But the facts are that other people, often behind you, WILL tailgate, and if you want to avoid the hassle of dealing with car repair/replacement and possible death, you try to avoid braking hard while the bastards are behind you.

In this lawsuit-happy day and age, one would be crazy to tailgate like that. And for those that choose to, they'd better have excellent brakes...
 
In this lawsuit-happy day and age, one would be crazy to tailgate like that. And for those that choose to, they'd better have excellent brakes...
Everyone is crazy.

Some realize it.

Edit: also....

And how does that counter my statement in any way.
 
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If safety is the main concern and why cameras are being deployed, then why not just redesign intersections and roads to meet high safety standards? Why is the actual focus just on fining drivers?

Speeding and running stop lights are actually subjective offences. Sometimes you drifted slightly over the speed limit, oops we all do it. Sometimes traffic conditions means that you were in the middle of the intersection when the light changed red, oops but it isnt like you just ran a red light. Cameras have zero tolerance for such small mistakes that 100% of drivers make. Its a rigged game designed to make revenue just like any traditional speed trap.

Traffic enforcement camera's are not bullet proof accurate devices. Business owner casts reasonable doubt on accuracy of speed cameras - Washington Times

How many of these tickets are bogus?
 
There are people who buy vintage cars to avoid those black boxes. I do think requiring all cars to have the ability to shut them down is going to be required for all new cars soon, and many already have it whether you know it or not.
The thought has occurred to me.

There are some other benefits as well. (Some) Older vehicles are simply cool. Plus, most older vehicles are easy to work on, and short from doing a complete tear down and rebuild I like to do some of my own maintenance and repairs when I can.


Yes:

If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.
...and even then you're not really safe. Prison is a dangerous place.


If safety is the main concern and why cameras are being deployed, then why not just redesign intersections and roads to meet high safety standards? Why is the actual focus just on fining drivers?
If traffic cameras are truly for safety, then the following would be in place... ALL appearances of impropriety and profit motive would be removed. That means fines would go into the general fund to be distributed and the private contractor operating the system would get a flat fee, the same $$$ whether their system issued 1 ticket or 1000 or 1,000,000. There should never... ever... be a profit motive in justice.
 
I don't think many are considering the advances in technology and blind acceptance that computer robo-cops that are totally amoral, inhuman, have no soul, and are not flawless or without error, can turn anyone in a criminal with no human involved in that criminalization, cost a person not only money, but potential imprisonment, lose of legal rights, eviction, lose of job and financial ruin.

Why stop at redlight and speeding cameras? Why not robo-cops in your cars? In chips in your body? From satellites in space and computers watching your internet and phone activities? Cameras and recorders everywhere, for which humans are replaced with computers as law enforcement and criminal justice? Computers becoming our masters and controllers, for which we are the herd managed, controlled and punished by machines.

Exactly NO ONE can drive a car without committing a dozen offenses a day. Stopping too close to an intersection. Stopping to close to another car. Parking too far from a curb. Following closer than 1 car length per 10 mph. Not staying perfectly in your lane 100% of the time. Making turns or changing lanes without your turn signal before you start to make the change. Driving below the minimum speed limit in rush hour. The list is almost endless.

Nor can few people go one day without committing a felony - which has often been proven. For which technology will rapidly allow robo-watching-computer-cops to basically turn everyone into a criminal.

The answer by government? To make it only a CIVIL offense if you are caught and prosecuted by a robo-cop, but a criminal offense if by a live cop. Why? Because robo-cops are ONLY about the government taking money from people, nothing else.

It is an absurd claim that someone's rear bump is 6 inches still in the intersection when a light goes red endangers anyone, but the cameras are set to only allow a 1/1000th of a second tolerance. Since cars navigation systems don't show the plat for every intersection nor do road crews lay concrete measured to the 1 millimeter, you don't even know technically where an intersection begins and ends. It is, literally, an impossible law to comply with 100% of the time.

But to me, the REAL issue is the very concept of computer robo-cops with no human involvement in the process whatsoever. Maybe others like the concept of computers being capable of declaring you are a criminal and filing and pursuing a case - criminal or civil against you. I'm totally opposed to it. I don't think computers should be able to automatically file any kind of legal case against anyone - ever.
 
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This is where the desires of redlight/speeding cameras evolves:



This is my view:



Well, I don't particularly want to run thru the streets naked with green jello on me...
 
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A live human police officer can:
1. Confirm the license plate is real
2. The license plate matches the car
3. The license number is actual what it appears to be from a distance
4. Who is driving the car.

Robo-camera-computer-cops can do none of those things. A bit of dirt can turn a 6 into an 8 and a reflection turn an 8 into a 6. Computer traffic lights do sometime fail to time correctly. There are no marks on the road saying where the intersection actually begins and ends. Nor any sign for traffic lights saying how long the yellow lasts either.

Once a car is in an intersection the drive can't control it if another car slows or stops in front of them. I suppose the law now requires you hit the gas and ram/shove the other car thru the intersection in time to not be a criminal. In a pissy mood? Just stop your car immediately when you are out of the intersect. HA! HA! you just got 3 total strangers redlight tickets - and then just go on your way. Claim you saw a cat run in front of you in the 1 in 10,000 chance a cop saw you do that.

It would be a piece of cake to set an enemy up with just a photocopy machine. Traffic monitoring computers do glitch - ask the people who get $100,000 toll fees for such glitches etc etc.

NONE of that an happen with a live cop. ALL OF THAT WILL HAPPEN with a robo-cop.

A person can suddenly find they can not renew their license plates or DL renewed until they spend 15 days in 4 different courts in a state 2,000 miles away they've never been in. But the government doesn't care, they want the money and people who want to enhance their view of god-government to computer-god-government really don't care at those small number of innocent victims. They have a dogmatic belief in being watched and controlled and want everyone else to be controlled too regardless of actual consequences.

It is not the reality they want, but the concept of endlessly more government control and government punishment of people. Their motive is always the same. Intense personal internal fear.

For such people, there would never be enough prison cells nor ever enough power or money to government. In my opinion, they never really grew up and what government to be their mommy and daddy protecting and providing for them.
 
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In this lawsuit-happy day and age, one would be crazy to tailgate like that. And for those that choose to, they'd better have excellent brakes...

Good brakes won't avoid a redlight ticket. In fact, it is impossible to legally avoid being in an intersection when the light turns red with certainty.

A person has NO control over how fast vehicles in front of them go thru an intersection or whether another vehicle in front slow down or stop or not. It is illegal to stop at every green light and wait for it to cycle thru yellow, red and back to green, plus that would bring all traffic to a standstill.

There is absolutely no legal way a person can assuredly avoid a robo-cop redlight ticket because you have no control over what the vehicle in front of you will do. It is NOT rare for a person in a center or right lane to suddenly just stop deciding they want to turn left instead and wait for an opening to do so - leaving you stuck in the intersection.

If you have a theory how a person can certainly avoid ever being in an intersection when the light turns red due to a vehicle in front suddenly slowing or stopping, explain how. Again, it is ILLEGAL and EXTREMELY dangerous to stop at green lights to assure you are the first car as you are waiting for it to cycle all the way back to green.

Or do you advocate slamming/shoving such a car that slows or stops in front of you thru the intersection to not "break the law?"
 
If safety is the main concern and why cameras are being deployed, then why not just redesign intersections and roads to meet high safety standards? Why is the actual focus just on fining drivers?

Speeding and running stop lights are actually subjective offences. Sometimes you drifted slightly over the speed limit, oops we all do it. Sometimes traffic conditions means that you were in the middle of the intersection when the light changed red, oops but it isnt like you just ran a red light. Cameras have zero tolerance for such small mistakes that 100% of drivers make. Its a rigged game designed to make revenue just like any traditional speed trap.

Traffic enforcement camera's are not bullet proof accurate devices. Business owner casts reasonable doubt on accuracy of speed cameras - Washington Times

How many of these tickets are bogus?

They found that increasing yellow lights by 1/2 second cuts redlight tickets about 80% - the reason no city with redlight cameras will do so. Add 1 second to yellow lights and it would eliminate running redlights 90%. Add a 1 second delay from when the light one way turns red to when the other turns green would eliminate 90% of redlight issues and radically reduces T-bone accidents. It has nothing to do with safety. Just money.
 
And redlight camera advocates grossly lie about statistics.

They assert that all "T-bone" accidents are from people running traffic lights. I don't believe that for a second. I am very confident most T-bone accidents occur where there are stop signs and are due to the person not seeing the stop sign among an ocean of signs and distractions in urban areas. In rural areas, tall corn, plants, fading stop signs for getting old, even fallen or stolen stop signs often makes stop signs difficult to spot or are just gone. There are rural intersections with no stop signs and are presumed 4 way stops.

For ALL T-bone accidents, I doubt 1 in 10,000 are the result of anyone deliberately running a redlight with cars coming the other way unless running from the police, racing or just deliberately driving recklessly. Redlight cameras won't stop one of those. T-Bones occur because people don't or can't see the stop sign, the light or the other car. "Yield" signs likely also cause many T-bone accident. Of itself, running a redlight or not being totally out of an intersection when the light turns red endangers no one.

What is known is that redlight cameras radically increase rear-end collisions. Statistically, if nationwide, that would cause about 350,000 to 400,000 more accidents rear-end collisions PER YEAR, of which statistically 20% cause serious injuries - and the cost would be in the billions each year.
 
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Easy way to avoid tickets given because of traffic cameras. Don't break the law.

one can't always predict that someone 8-10 cars in front of you is going to stop hanging you out to dry in an intersection that is changing. I have fought 3 camera tickets in court and won all three.
 
one can't always predict that someone 8-10 cars in front of you is going to stop hanging you out to dry in an intersection that is changing. I have fought 3 camera tickets in court and won all three.

Am I the only person who actually ran the red light and acknowledges it?
 
Am I the only person who actually ran the red light and acknowledges it?

I doubt it, I have paid them before but 3 times I shouldn't have and didn't
 
Am I the only person who actually ran the red light and acknowledges it?

I've run redlights. Do so nearly every day. This place is a ghost town at light and some lights take up to 5 minutes to cycle thru. Sitting at a redlight for 5 minutes, no car as far as the eye can see in every direction, is just being the ultimate sheeple in my opinion.
 
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