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Should we abolish Columbus Day?

Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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Excon said:
:laughat::doh
Still trying to judge and/or pigeonhole huh? What a shame.
Ain't gonna work.
And yes you do have a problem with not understanding that your juvenile actions to criticize, were juvenile.
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Of course my sarcastic comments are juvenile. And the first part I was bing honest, the second was sarcastic. Bro, you have problems. That is not an attempt to criticize but from what I have seem a valid assessment. I even made a psychological assessment. Think away though, as that is part of the problem. Very few people do what you are doing. In all honesty you should think about it.
 
ChrisL said:
Insanity. MLK is a much more modern figure that more people can relate to. Unlike that loon Christopher Columbus.
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Relate to?
Not!
It is about honoring the individual for their contributions to this country.
What do you think he contributed that is of such significance?
 
ChrisL said:
And he was brought up on charges for his actions, so apparently ILLEGAL.
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Not.
You have no idea what he was actually charged with.
I asked you before to support such an assertion and you failed.
Are you going to do it this time?

But as we know, he was cleared of the most serious charges.
So obviously what he did was not illegal.
 
Excon said:
No, I am saying that law is determinative. How could you miss that after all this time?

I am also saying that in this instance you judge the individual by the standards of the time they were in.
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Yeah, I get it. You are stating the obvious. Determinative. Standards of the time. That has been clear for a long time now...

The issue that you are not making clear is if it takes the majority are the totality to make laws right or wrong. You have said that slavery was fine because it was not illegal. You have made reference to other things being fine beause not everybody agrees with it. You are making excuses for Columbus because specific murder laws did not apply to those specific natives. You are kinda all over the place, really.
 
Excon said:
Not.
You have no idea what he was actually charged with.
I asked you before to support such an assertion and you failed.
Are you going to do it this time?

But as we know, he was cleared of the most serious charges.
So obviously what he did was not illegal.
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Read the two first posts on the thread.
 
Excon said:
Relate to?
Not!
It is about honoring the individual for their contributions to this country.
What do you think he contributed that is of such significance?
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Christopher Columbus killed people. Martin Luther King did not. The choice is clear.
 
Excon said:
Nope.
MLK day was undeserved.

Columbus day is deserved.
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Why is that?

Columbus for what? What did he do to deserve glory? He found some land, tortured and killed people to rule it. His rule led literally to millions of people dead.

MLK was a leader of the Civil Rights Movement that lead directly to ending Segragation and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He helped literally millions of people.

Sure sure sure... standards of the time. But what is better about finding some land than helping millions of people gain equal rights?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why is that?

Columbus for what? What did he do to deserve glory? He found some land, tortured and killed people to rule it. His rule led literally to millions of people dead.

MLK was a leader of the Civil Rights Movement that lead directly to ending Segragation and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He helped literally millions of people.

Sure sure sure... standards of the time. But what is better about finding some land than helping millions of people gain equal rights?
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Exactly. Great post! :)
 
Excon said:
Relate to?
Not!
It is about honoring the individual for their contributions to this country.
What do you think he contributed that is of such significance?
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Columbus had literally NOTHING to do with the United States of America. He never even set foot here.
 
Excon said:
:doh

Please send me your credentials so I can make a formal complaint.
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Since when does one need credentials to be correct? I am very good at psychology and the law. No credentials.

Self represented twice in Court. Won both times... against attorneys. I very well could be wrong about you, as this is just an internet discussion.
 
Excon said:
Relate to?
Not!
It is about honoring the individual for their contributions to this country.
What do you think he contributed that is of such significance?
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He successfully fought for the rights of an entire race in a way that acknowledged the rights of all people to live in peace and pursue happiness, rather than the bloody revolutions that so often defines such struggles. It was admirable and, here's the important part, worthy of emulation. In other words he was an exemplary role model. What can we celebrate about enslaving and murdering an entire people that you would like to emulate? "Helping to bring Western Civilization to the Americas" is probably one answer, and the natives would probably disagree with how fantastically that worked out for them, but the problem is that, as cool as it sounds, you can only really use that fact in a chapter on history because there's not really much else you can actually do with it. If a kid says, "I'm going to grow up to be just like Christopher Columbus!" and follows through with that it probably means he's going to be found guilty for crimes against humanity when he grows up.
 
Excon. How many posts do you make without a major negative in it? Nope! Not! Wrong! No!
 
Bodhisattva said:
The issue that you are not making clear is if it takes the majority are the totality to make laws right or wrong.
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Wtf? That hasn't been an issue.
But it takes neither, or did you not know that. Personal opinion is just that, personal opinion.


Bodhisattva said:
You have said that slavery was fine
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That is a misrepresentation of what I stated.

You have made reference to other things being fine beause not everybody agrees with it.[/QUOTE]More misrepresentation of what I have stated.

Bodhisattva said:
You are making excuses for Columbus because specific murder laws did not apply to those specific natives.
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Wrong. No excuses are needed for action which are legal.
What he did was legal.

Bodhisattva said:
You are kinda all over the place, really.
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Says the guy who has been all over the place.
You are not arguing it was murder, yet you were arguing it was murder all along. Do'h!
False analogies.

You weren't arguing legality, but you were arguing legality.
It was all quoted.

That is being all over the place and not even knowing what you have argued. Confused.
 
ChrisL said:
Christopher Columbus killed people. Martin Luther King did not. The choice is clear.
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Yes, the choice is clear.
Columbus over MLK.
 
Excon said:
It isn't there.
Which was also pointed out to you, as you are assuming.
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Maybe it was in the link I posted, but I'm definitely not assuming. I read that he was brought up on charges for his actions which would mean they were illegal.
 
Excon said:
Yes, the choice is clear.
Columbus over MLK.
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Nope, and I'm sure the majority would disagree with you. Us civilized people would vote for MLK Day.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Columbus had literally NOTHING to do with the United States of America. He never even set foot here.
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We have already been over this. You are wrong.
His discovery lead to this country being established.
 
Excon said:
Wtf? That hasn't been an issue.
But it takes neither, or did you not know that. Personal opinion is just that, personal opinion.


That is a misrepresentation of what I stated.

You have made reference to other things being fine beause not everybody agrees with it.
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More misrepresentation of what I have stated.

Wrong. No excuses are needed for action which are legal.
What he did was legal.

Says the guy who has been all over the place.
You are not arguing it was murder, yet you were arguing it was murder all along. Do'h!
False analogies.

You weren't arguing legality, but you were arguing legality.
It was all quoted.

That is being all over the place and not even knowing what you have argued. Confused.
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So much for trying to have a discussion to clarify things... Hell, since it was quoted it must be correct? Though you are too ****ing ****** to maintain context or perspective.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Since when does one need credentials to be correct? I am very good at psychology and the law. No credentials.

Self represented twice in Court. Won both times... against attorneys. I very well could be wrong about you, as this is just an internet discussion.
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The problem is that you are not correct.
Your last sentence is accurate.
 
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