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Should we abolish Columbus Day?

Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?


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I don't know what that is, but in any event, no, I would like our nation to stop celebrating genocide.

Nobody is forcing you to celebrate anything. If you don't like it, ignore it. You have no right to tell other people what to do.
 
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate anything. If you don't like it, ignore it. You have no right to tell other people what to do.

That argument doesn't really make sense. You're arguing over whether it should be a holiday or not. You say it should be, he says it shouldn't be. So "You have no right to tell other people what to do" is completely irrational, as you're doing the same.

Why should it be a holiday? The guy was obviously a terrible person, and this isn't woven into the fabric of America. This holiday is only 100 years old.
 
That argument doesn't really make sense. You're arguing over whether it should be a holiday or not. You say it should be, he says it shouldn't be. So "You have no right to tell other people what to do" is completely irrational, as you're doing the same.

Why should it be a holiday? The guy was obviously a terrible person, and this isn't woven into the fabric of America. This holiday is only 100 years old.

I'm not saying it should be or it shouldn't be, I'm pointing out that wanting to revoke and existing holiday because it hurts someone's feelings is childish.
 
Actually, it is interesting. Monday my husband has the day off but my son still has to go to school.

I expect to see a few more dads or moms at dropoff or running club on Monday morning.
 
I'm not saying it should be or it shouldn't be, I'm pointing out that wanting to revoke and existing holiday because it hurts someone's feelings is childish.

In the world of political correctness, hurt feelings means a lot more than actions.
 
Haven't you folks remade the country enough?
ok ok we get it America is the great satan enough already!

Yet with all her flaws, people from all around the world crave to come here. I do not think a lot of the people who live here really appreciate how good this country has been to them and the freedoms they have.
 
Yet with all her flaws, people from all around the world crave to come here. I do not think a lot of the people who live here really appreciate how good this country has been to them and the freedoms they have.

:agree: As President Reagan so beautifully stated: ''America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere." :yes: .... :thumbs:
 
:agree: As President Reagan so beautifully stated: ''America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere." :yes: .... :thumbs:

Yep, he was right. Turtledude or real close to that yesterday suggested that if Columbus day is done away with, to move it to April 15th and have a Tax Day Holiday. At least then we all would get a day off for all the taxes we pay. I liked that idea.
 
Yep, he was right. Turtledude or real close to that yesterday suggested that if Columbus day is done away with, to move it to April 15th and have a Tax Day Holiday. At least then we all would get a day off for all the taxes we pay. I liked that idea.

All of us taxpayers like that idea, and they don't even have to do away with Columbus Day, either! :mrgreen:
 
All of us taxpayers like that idea, and they don't even have to do away with Columbus Day, either! :mrgreen:

Down here Columbus Day is just another day except Banks, Post Office and government is closed. The kids go to school which is mystifying to me. The kids had the whole last week off and then go to school on a holiday. But that should not surprise anyone, the kids go to school on memorial day and veterans day too. Crazy
 
Down here Columbus Day is just another day except Banks, Post Office and government is closed. The kids go to school which is mystifying to me. The kids had the whole last week off and then go to school on a holiday. But that should not surprise anyone, the kids go to school on memorial day and veterans day too. Crazy

I'll get to babysit my granddughter, and we'll have fun baking chocolate chip cookies! win-win! :thumbs:
 
so this isn't your ****ing heritage either.
have you any other demands?

they will be dealt with as soon as all of America
pledges eternal hatred for this Spanish\Italian genocide dude?
 
I'll get to babysit my granddughter, and we'll have fun baking chocolate chip cookies! win-win! :thumbs:

Save some for me. I had to take of our youngest grandson this afternoon. Almost two. Now I have two great granddaughters older than him. But there was 16 years between my oldest daughter and my youngest daughter. Then my youngest lived with us until she was 30. That explains that I guess.
 
Nobody is forcing you to celebrate anything. If you don't like it, ignore it. You have no right to tell other people what to do.

1) I am not claiming anyone is forcing me to celebrate it.
2) I do ignore it, usually. This (posts 1-2) caught my eye though.
3) I do not claim a right to tell anyone else what to do, but we consider certain days "national holidays" and I find it acceptable to ask others if something (or someone) we currently celebrate is perhaps not worth celebrating. No force involved in that.
 
I'm not saying it should be or it shouldn't be, I'm pointing out that wanting to revoke and existing holiday because it hurts someone's feelings is childish.

It has nothing to do with hurting feelings, it has to do with not honoring a terrible, terrible person. Would you oppose a Barrack Obama day?
have you any other demands?

they will be dealt with as soon as all of America
pledges eternal hatred for this Spanish\Italian genocide dude?

What the hell are you talking about? You claimed we're all attacking America because we think Columbus day of all things is not a good idea, because Columbus was a gigantic asshole. Do you have any actual arguments as to why it should be a holiday?

And you completely ignored the fact that it was only added 100 years ago. If we created a Barrack Obama day, should we accuse you of being anti-American if you oppose it? Your arguments are weak and nonsensical.
 
It has nothing to do with hurting feelings, it has to do with not honoring a terrible, terrible person. Would you oppose a Barrack Obama day?


What the hell are you talking about? You claimed we're all attacking America because we think Columbus day of all things is not a good idea, because Columbus was a gigantic asshole. Do you have any actual arguments as to why it should be a holiday?

And you completely ignored the fact that it was only added 100 years ago. If we created a Barrack Obama day, should we accuse you of being anti-American if you oppose it? Your arguments are weak and nonsensical.

It doesn't bother me if the holiday should remain, but I'm sure we could think of something better to celebrate than a mass murderer.
 
It doesn't bother me if the holiday should remain, but I'm sure we could think of something better to celebrate than a mass murderer.

in some areas Columbus day was seen as a day of honoring Italian immigrants' contributions to America. Some of my Italian friends are pissed when the PC types want to get rid of CD
 
in some areas Columbus day was seen as a day of honoring Italian immigrants' contributions to America. Some of my Italian friends are pissed when the PC types want to get rid of CD

Well, there is controversy about that. The Spaniards also claim CC as their own. I guess no one's really sure what nationality he was. Of course the results of testing were inconclusive.

BBC - Travel - The mystery of Columbus?s legacy : History, Seville

Equally murky is the matter of Columbus’s nationality. Theories vary as to whether the voyager was Italian, Spanish, French, Polish, Portuguese… the list goes on. Another 2006 study, carried out by some of the same geneticists who looked into Columbus’s death, sought to use DNA once more to solve this second mystery. The bulk of historical evidence points to Columbus being either Spanish or Italian, so the researchers started there. Since the name Columbus is actually “Colon” in Spanish and “Colombo” in Italian, they gathered DNA samples from hundreds of men with these last names – because both their surnames and their Y chromosomes would be passed down from their fathers.
 
Why is anyone fighting over this killer anyway? I would hope he was the "other" nationality. :lol:
 
Would a "real" American celebrate Italian-ness or Spanish-ness or Kenyan-ness. Such people have divided loyalties and cannot be proper Americans (with the exception of supporting Israel, THEY'RE troo patriots!)
 
I love holidays, and it isn't about the getting off work either. I like Halloween as much as any other holiday. I like to celebrate things. So what is the issue with just changing it to something less "controversial" and more in what the holiday is already about, celebrating the "discovery" of this part of the world which actually led to most of us being here? It doesn't matter who we accredit that discovery to, only that we recognize that it is why we are here and why our country (since the US is I think the only that celebrates it) grew the way it did.
 
Would a "real" American celebrate Italian-ness or Spanish-ness or Kenyan-ness. Such people have divided loyalties and cannot be proper Americans (with the exception of supporting Israel, THEY'RE troo patriots!)

Of course they do. Ever hear of Cinco de Mayo? How about St. Patrick's Day? Kwanzaa? :roll:
 
It has nothing to do with hurting feelings, it has to do with not honoring a terrible, terrible person. Would you oppose a Barrack Obama day?

Times change, views change, when Columbus was alive, what he was doing was perfectly acceptable. We have to view things in a historical context and not gauge things by today's standards. Otherwise, we'd have to do away with most holidays celebrating any individuals.
 
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