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Should we abolish Columbus Day?

Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?


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Because we shouldn't be celebrating mass murder, slavery, and sex trafficking. It's like celebrating "Hitler Day", and saying that's it fine, as long as we teach children to be holocaust deniers. It's broken, we should fix it.

Do we, by implication, do just that with President's Day? What about Independence Day?
 
I must say that I'm glad you lefties are able to educate the rest of the folks in this country
that we are indeed the most horrific nation ever founded in the history of mankind.

Hrm... You do realize that Christopher Columbus was Italian and had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the United States of America, right? There's hundreds of years in between these things.

Your lack of education on absolutely everything is painfully obvious.
 
Do we, by implication, do just that with President's Day? What about Independence Day?
Presidents day is a celebration of George Washington's and Abraham Lincoln's birthdays; Although Washington owned slaves, Lincoln freed them. Other than that, I know of no great scandal surrounding them. Both of them did great things in the name of freedom. I'm not really seeing the "implication" here. If you mean, simply that they ruled the land after the Native Americans were persecuted, that could be said about every non-Native American living in America. The sins of the fathers do not weigh on the son; they should be judged on their actions within the scenario they were born in, and they both used their lives for good. (If I'm missing some big scandal surrounding the two, please tell me. I'm not seeing it.)

Independence Day is the Nation's birthday. The nation is inanimate, and incapable of doing evil. Again, I'm not really seeing the "implication".
 
Presidents day is a celebration of George Washington's and Abraham Lincoln's birthdays; Although Washington owned slaves, Lincoln freed them. Other than that, I know of no great scandal surrounding them. Both of them did great things in the name of freedom. I'm not really seeing the "implication" here. If you mean, simply that they ruled the land after the Native Americans were persecuted, that could be said about every non-Native American living in America. The sins of the fathers do not weigh on the son; they should be judged on their actions within the scenario they were born in, and they both used their lives for good. (If I'm missing some big scandal surrounding the two, please tell me. I'm not seeing it.)

Independence Day is the Nation's birthday. The nation is inanimate, and incapable of doing evil. Again, I'm not really seeing the "implication".

The former started long before the celebration of Lincoln. It is directly connected to the same holiday of purely celebrating Washington. Furthermore, you're excusing Washington for doing matters in the name of freedom, when he clearly acted against freedom in other ways (including starting the trend of stomping out the Natives). Now, on top of that, Columbus acted in the name of exploration. We could excuse his actions with the same rationale, couldn't we (as we have)?

The nation's birth was also at the same time the day that they signed a document that: (1) had no intentions of applying to African Americans and (2) was explicitly prohibited from implicating slavery was reprehensible, so as to not scandalize the slave economies of some of the colonies.

From my angle you're applying your logic very selectively.
 
Yes my supposed lack of anti-American education, your self-imagined superiority
the left's virulent hatred of my country, you folks are too clever by half

it must be sad to go through life such as you do
 
The point is that a lot of people don't feel right honoring a person like that with a national holiday.
How about: "America is worse than Nazi Germany Day"? We could burn Tea Party Patriots at the stake?
 
I see no problem with getting rid of Columbus Day.
I do have a problem with replacing it with something else.

So I can't vote in the poll because that option doesn't exist.
 
I think we should probably get rid of the holiday just as soon as we give the natives their continent back. Until then, it's kind of a hollow gesture.

Yeah, you are planning to do that on the 3rd of Thursday right?
 
I think having a natives day may imply that there should also be settlers day. Then settlers day is divided to those who ventured to find freedom in what would be "America" and those who found slavery there (e.g., African Americans).

So then from settlers there should be "Free Settlers Day" and "Enslaved Settlers Day." Each should be respected just like the "Natives Day" so as then to capture each "parties" day and celebrate it in a historically accurate manner.

I think it would be interesting to see how would these days develop. Would the natives celebrate "Enslaved Day" together with African Americans? They were enslaved too?

What would white Europeans do on such a day? Would joining their celebrations with cookies to remedy the damage be enough? How would red natives and the black enslaved look and treat the free white in such parties? Would natives and blacks join "Free Settlers Day" and celebrate their historical demise joyfully?

It may be conflicting but at least it would be honest. Natives get enslaved from foreign black slaves for the "freedom" of white Europeans that conquered America. That is the premise that candidates for celebration day if you ask me.
 
How about: "America is worse than Nazi Germany Day"? We could burn Tea Party Patriots at the stake?

How about if you actually participate in a discussion instead of making dumb comments?
 
What is not necessarily so? That they would have evolved or their people revolted? Well of course that is not what happened, so it is conjecture....

Well, you ARE the one who said it.
 
Sorry..Italian......

That's doesn't explain why you purposefully misspelled it several times in this thread. Perhaps that's a bit of your own bigotry rearing it's ugly head?
 
Not entirely likely. We have been disillusioned with Thomas Jefferson for about 60 years now, and about 30-40 for the public. Jefferson's public icon image is still going strong, regardless.

That being said, I have no problems with creating a national holiday to celebrate Native American culture. The truth of the matter is, MLK Day doesn't somehow intellectually cause a problem for Americans that also celebrate the 4th of July. This is despite the implication that most of those individuals did not conceptualize their message of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for African Americans. The public incorporates both holidays without contradiction, either consciously or out of ignorance. Regardless of that, it builds nationalism, and I am all for limited myth making in the pursuit of national unity.

Agreed. I wouldn't be at all opposed to the idea of a separate federal holiday centered around Native Americans. I'm actually kind of surprised that we don't have one already.

I was simply saying that I opposed Juanita's idea of replacing Columbus Day entirely with what would essentially be a holiday centered around "White Guilt." Noting productive could come out of such a move.
 
Agreed. I wouldn't be at all opposed to the idea of a separate federal holiday centered around Native Americans. I'm actually kind of surprised that we don't have one already.

I was simply saying that I opposed Juanita's idea of replacing Columbus Day entirely with what would essentially be a holiday centered around "White Guilt." Noting productive could come out of such a move.

That's true. I'm not about endorsing that, especially since none of us had anything to do with it. I still don't like the fact that our educators lie to us about true historical events though. That is not history, that is mythology. I also don't like the fact that our nation honors this particular person by naming a national holiday after him. He doesn't deserve such an honor.
 
Replace it with Kick A Congress Critter In The Balls day and I'm good. :mrgreen:
 
If we got rid of Columbus day no one would talk about it. Its the perfect education tool why forsake it?
 
That's not what I was talking about. Furthermore, I don't know about you, but my experience with Zip drives was bloody horrible. I am glad it was a dead technology.

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Man those things sucked. Unfortunately when I was taking business courses they required us to use them. What could go wrong? If only I could get back all the time wasted on them...
 
I don't know what that is, but in any event, no, I would like our nation to stop celebrating genocide.

Who is celebrating genocide? While wiping out a small tribe is deplorable, I'm not sure it constitutes genocide. Its not exactly anyone's fault that the native tribes had no natural immunity to diseases that were common in Europe. That's what wiped out 99% of the Native Americans.
 
I think we should probably get rid of the holiday just as soon as we give the natives their continent back. Until then, it's kind of a hollow gesture.

I agree wholeheartedly. And thank you for being first in line to offer the deed to your house. If we can just find more people like you, we can start a movement to show the Natives that we really do care. :lol:
 
Nice to see white guilt runs deep in this forum
 
Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

I say no.I do not want holidays and other **** changed just because we find out that person did something despicable. No one celebrates the bad **** Columbus did, just as no one today celebrates the fact that many of our founders owned slaves,raped black women, oppressed women, took indian land, killed indians, or any other bad ****.No one today Celebrates MLK jr's alleged womanizing or alleged ties to communism.No said hey lets put Susan B. Anthony on a dollar coin to celebrate her racism.
 
The former started long before the celebration of Lincoln. It is directly connected to the same holiday of purely celebrating Washington. Furthermore, you're excusing Washington for doing matters in the name of freedom, when he clearly acted against freedom in other ways (including starting the trend of stomping out the Natives). Now, on top of that, Columbus acted in the name of exploration. We could excuse his actions with the same rationale, couldn't we (as we have)?

The nation's birth was also at the same time the day that they signed a document that: (1) had no intentions of applying to African Americans and (2) was explicitly prohibited from implicating slavery was reprehensible, so as to not scandalize the slave economies of some of the colonies.

From my angle you're applying your logic very selectively.
I agree. I wasn't really trying to defend President's day, I just didn't see them as being as brutal as Columbus. Personally, I don't think there should be any of these federal holidays. I'd really like to see things like the seasonal breaks, instituted as federal holidays. Not a celebration of men, but of time itself.
 
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