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Should we abolish Columbus Day?

Abolish Columbus Day, replace it with Bartolomé Day?

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Because of Football, High schools now start in early to middle August..
As well, if your HS kid wants to play in his/her sport, they MUST go to summer camp(s) at the HS..
ChrisL said:
Let me tell you, I would KILL someone to get the summers off again like when I was a kid. :lol:
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Kids have so much more pressure on their time these days..
And then there's that extension on their hand, texting .
 
NIMBY said:
Because of Football, High schools now start in early to middle August..
As well, if your HS kid wants to play in his/her sport, they MUST go to summer camp(s) at the HS..

Kids have so much more pressure on their time these days..
And then there's that extension on their hand, texting .
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I don't care about any of that. I just want to have an entire summer off some day.
 
When you retire dear..
For now, treasure those days off..
ChrisL said:
I don't care about any of that. I just want to have an entire summer off some day.
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Everybody's Workin for the weekend..
I always tried to convince the kids to look at their hard work as "earning" their weekends..
They told me I was full of **** .
 
Hey, dude, I just picked up Zinn, as well. Bodacious, bro~!!!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Excon said:
Your problem is that you think I am saying something I am not.
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You are saying he discovered the land. We are talking about establishing America. So you are saying that he discovered the land where the modern day USA is. Don't try and be clever and say that he discovered the land that others used as a leaving place to discover the USA land or something, that would mean that my Ptolemy argument is correct.
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Just as I called it.
"Your problem is that you think I am saying something I am not."​

You clearly have a real problem with assuming.




ChrisL said:
Yes it does, it was discovered due to someone else's navigational errors, and he never even realized what he had actually "discovered."
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And that still does not matter.
It was still a discovery of great importance. Not just because the US came to be established because of his discovery, but for the world as a whole because of new exploration and trade.


Although you may prefer Leif Ericson being credited, his prior discovery did not lead to the widespread knowledge and allow the exploration and trade that Columbus's discovery did.


Accident, error, or not, it is still one of the greatest discoveries because of the above.


ChrisL said:
This person always seems to side with the criminal, killer or whatever. Really strange. Maybe he's a defense attorney and just getting some practice. :lol:
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Strange, as I was just pointing out factual information about the allegations against them showing that the claim made against them is false. Sounds like being on the side of the law there doesn't it?
And I also was pointing out the factual information in relation to a false claim of rape against a 17 year old.
Still sounds like I am on the side of the Law.


Much like this thread, you are choosing to see things the way you want and not the way it is.



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ChrisL said:
Let me tell you, I would KILL someone to get the summers off again like when I was a kid. :lol:
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I don't believe you.
 
Excon said:
Just as I called it.
"Your problem is that you think I am saying something I am not."​

You clearly have a real problem with assuming.
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Nope. You are not saying what you mean. In that case one can only assume. Even here you are not saying what you mean. You are trying to be clever though... thinking you have some ace up your sleave when it is pretty obvious that I was right in my assumption and that your argument is idiotic.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nope. You are not saying what you mean. In that case one can only assume. Even here you are not saying what you mean. You are trying to be clever though... thinking you have some ace up your sleave when it is pretty obvious that I was right in my assumption and that your argument is idiotic.
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Wrong. I did say what I meant.
You are wrong for making assumptions.
 
Excon said:
Wrong. I did say what I meant.
You are wrong for making assumptions.
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Now you are talking in circles. I quoted what you said. You said what you meant. I quoted it. You said he discovered the land that lead to the establishment of the USA. I said that he never landed, nor discovered, what would be the United States of America. You have ignored that and said I was wrong and assuming. Then I assumed what you meant. You said I was wrong for assuming.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Now you are talking in circles. I quoted what you said. You said what you meant. I quoted it. You said he discovered the land that lead to the establishment of the USA. I said that he never landed, nor discovered, what would be the United States of America. You have ignored that and said I was wrong and assuming. Then I assumed what you meant. You said I was wrong for assuming.
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Yes you are going in circles and are again assuming I said something I didn't.

This is what I said.
Two distinct sentences.
Yes he did discover the land.
And that discovery lead to the establishment of this Country.​
Both sentences are correct on every single level...


And yes, you are assuming.
Bodhisattva said:
So you are saying that he discovered the land where the modern day USA is
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That is not what I said. That is what you assumed I said.
I said he did discover the land, which he did.
And his discovery lead to this country being established. That is common knowledge.

Let me help you out with a picture.
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Now is it clear to you which land he discovered?
 
Excon said:
Now is it clear to you which land he discovered?
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And I covered this as well. You think that you are clever when you aren't.

Ptolemy's calculation error is what led to "that land" being discovered.

You could also say that Columbus's mother lead to the establishment of America since without her he wouldn't be alive.

Your argument is supremely sophomoric... and ultimately stupid. Literally stupid.

To honor him for bumping into an island that others used to eventually discover "America" that was already occupied by people and that later people from a idfferent country than Columbus established America... ****. The argument reflects the author.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Your argument is supremely sophomoric... and ultimately stupid. Literally stupid.
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I see you are again describing your own argument.


Bodhisattva said:
And I covered this as well. You think that you are clever when you aren't.

Ptolemy's calculation error is what led to "that land" being discovered.
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:naughty No, you think you are being clever in using an argument that is stupid.
As you already know, your argument was previously dismissed as it was stupid.
Ptolomy did not make the discovery. Columbus did.


Bodhisattva said:
You could also say that Columbus's mother lead to the establishment of America since without her he wouldn't be alive.
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Ah yes, more absurdity huh?

And his grand folks for that, and their grand folks for that, etc... all the way back to Adam and Eve, huh?
Sorry, stupid argument is stupid and reflect the author.
He made the discovery. Not them.

Your argument is like giving credit to the queen for the discovery because if it were not for her it wouldn't have happened.
Or the ship wrights who built the ship, or the sail makers. Problem is they did not make the discovery.
Columbus did.


Bodhisattva said:
To honor him for bumping into an island that others used to eventually discover "America" that was already occupied by people and that later people from a idfferent country than Columbus established America... ****.
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Oy Vey.
:doh
You have spent a whole thread trying to discredit him and now his discovery, a discovery that is know the world over for it's importance.
You are on a fools errand hand have failed.
 
Excon said:
I see you are again describing your own argument.


:naughty No, you think you are being clever in using an argument that is stupid.
As you already know, your argument was previously dismissed as it was stupid.
Ptolomy did not make the discovery. Columbus did.



Ah yes, more absurdity huh?

And his grand folks for that, and their grand folks for that, etc... all the way back to Adam and Eve, huh?
Sorry, stupid argument is stupid and reflect the author.
He made the discovery. Not them.

Your argument is like giving credit to the queen for the discovery because if it were not for her it wouldn't have happened.
Or the ship wrights who built the ship, or the sail makers. Problem is they did not make the discovery.
Columbus did.


Oy Vey.
:doh
You have spent a whole thread trying to discredit him and now his discovery, a discovery that is know the world over for it's importance.
You are on a fools errand hand have failed.
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I think the point is he didn't actually "discover" anything since the land was already inhabited. Obviously, it had been discovered LONG before CC ever even thought of it. So maybe you could make the case that it was a new discovery to THEM.

Also, why should he get credit for something he allegedly "discovered" by accident, which he never even realized.
 
Excon said:
I see you are again describing your own argument.
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Ahhh... the classic, "I'm rubber and you're glue" comeback... :lol:

:naughty No, you think you are being clever in using an argument that is stupid.
As you already know, your argument was previously dismissed as it was stupid.
Ptolomy did not make the discovery. Columbus did.
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You don't even know your own argument. You said "LEAD TO". Lead to. That is an open ended term. A lawyer would never use that because you don't know the answer you will get. You don't understand. Ptolemy's wrong calculation LEAD TO the discovery of this land more than Columbus getting on the boat becasuse without the miscalculation Columbus would never have gotten on the boat and sailed in that direction!!!!!! Holy Moly! :lol:

Whatever.... I am done wtih that one.

Ah yes, more absurdity huh?

And his grand folks for that, and their grand folks for that, etc... all the way back to Adam and Eve, huh?
Sorry, stupid argument is stupid and reflect the author.
He made the discovery. Not them.

Your argument is like giving credit to the queen for the discovery because if it were not for her it wouldn't have happened.
Or the ship wrights who built the ship, or the sail makers. Problem is they did not make the discovery.
Columbus did.
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Wrong. As already stated, you changed the goal posts since you were wrong.

Oy Vey.
:doh
You have spent a whole thread trying to discredit him and now his discovery, a discovery that is know the world over for it's importance.
You are on a fools errand hand have failed
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Wrong. Stupid argument. Fail. stupid. Absurd. Oh vey!

I am saying that Columbus did not discover America nor did his discovery lead to the the establishment of the USA. You have a failed argument and I am done with your stupidity.
 
ChrisL said:
I think the point is he didn't actually "discover" anything since the land was already inhabited. Obviously, it had been discovered LONG before CC ever even thought of it. So maybe you could make the case that it was a new discovery to THEM.

Also, why should he get credit for something he allegedly "discovered" by accident, which he never even realized.
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Wrong. Absurd. Stupid. Oh Vey!
 
ChrisL said:
I think the point is he didn't actually "discover" anything since the land was already inhabited. Obviously, it had been discovered LONG before CC ever even thought of it. So maybe you could make the case that it was a new discovery to THEM.

Also, why should he get credit for something he allegedly "discovered" by accident, which he never even realized.
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Why do you argue in circles?
These idiot arguments have already been addressed.



ChrisL said:
So maybe you could make the case that it was a new discovery to THEM.
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:doh
Do'h!
Maybe make the case?
That is the case.

It is those who try to falsely and idiotically discredit his discovery by saying that people were already there.
Doesn't matter one bit that people were already there.
It is still a discovery.

They also try to falsely and idiotically discredit his discovery by saying Leif Ericson made the discovery before Columbus (which actually shows their first argument is bogus, because they recognize the second.), yet Ericson's discovery did not lead to what Columbus's did. Widespread knowledge, new exploration, trade and the eventual establishment of new Countries.
Which is exactly why his discovery is honored.



ChrisL said:
Also, why should he get credit for something he allegedly "discovered" by accident, which he never even realized.
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More circles. Another that was already addressed.
A discovery by accident is still a discovery.
 
Bodhisattva said:
"I'm rubber and you're glue"
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You see things from a juvenile perspective? Interesting.
And you also act in a juvenile way. Interesting.


Bodhisattva said:
You don't even know your own argument. You said "LEAD TO". Lead to. That is an open ended term. A lawyer would never use that because you don't know the answer you will get. You don't understand. Ptolemy's wrong calculation LEAD TO the discovery of this land more than Columbus getting on the boat becasuse without the miscalculation Columbus would never have gotten on the boat and sailed in that direction!!!!!!
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Holy Moly! You are the only one here who has shown they don't know their own argument.
You can't flip that.

And it is you who obviously doesn't understand, and are again making assumption for which you have no evidence for.
Like I said; You really have a problem doing that.
Ptolemaeus did not discover the land. Columbus did.
Nor can you say that he wouldn't have gotten on a boat. You have no such evidence to support such an assertion.
Your argument is just more absurdity to try and discredit Columbus's discovery.
The argument doesn't fly.


Bodhisattva said:
Whatever.... I am done wtih that one.
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You keep saying crap like this yet it never hold true.
Lets see if this time it does.


Bodhisattva said:
As already stated, you changed the goal posts since you were wrong.
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Wrong. The goal posts have never changed on this end. It is your assumption which was wrong and shown to be wrong.
You can't change that.


Bodhisattva said:
Wrong. Stupid argument. Fail. stupid. Absurd. Oh vey!
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Yes, we know!
Those all apply to your arguments and assertions.


Bodhisattva said:
I am saying that Columbus did not discover America nor did his discovery lead to the the establishment of the USA.
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And you are wrong because he did discover the land and his discovery lead to it. That is world history that you are idiotically saying is false. :doh
It has been your arguments that are failures on several levels.
Columbus's discovery lead to a widespread knowledge of, new exploration, trade and the eventual establishment of new Countries.
Which is exactly why his discovery is honored.


Bodhisattva said:
I am done with your stupidity.
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What you really mean to say is that I wont let your stupid assertions and argument stand and you are now crying about it.
 
Excon said:
Why do you argue in circles?
These idiot arguments have already been addressed.



:doh
Do'h!
Maybe make the case?
That is the case.

It is those who try to falsely and idiotically discredit his discovery by saying that people were already there.
Doesn't matter one bit that people were already there.
It is still a discovery.

They also try to falsely and idiotically discredit his discovery by saying Leif Ericson made the discovery before Columbus (which actually shows their first argument is bogus, because they recognize the second.), yet Ericson's discovery did not lead to what Columbus's did. Widespread knowledge, new exploration, trade and the eventual establishment of new Countries.
Which is exactly why his discovery is honored.



More circles. Another that was already addressed.
A discovery by accident is still a discovery.
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:naughty No his whole trips were disasters. That's why he had to buy his way back into the Queen's favor by bringing back slaves and as much loot as he could round up.
 
ChrisL said:
:naughty No his whole trips were disasters. That's why he had to buy his way back into the Queen's favor by bringing back slaves and as much loot as he could round up.
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More spin.
 
Excon said:
You see things from a juvenile perspective? Interesting.
And you also act in a juvenile way. Interesting.


Holy Moly! You are the only one here who has shown they don't know their own argument.
You can't flip that.

And it is you who obviously doesn't understand, and are again making assumption for which you have no evidence for.
Like I said; You really have a problem doing that.
Ptolemaeus did not discover the land. Columbus did.
Nor can you say that he wouldn't have gotten on a boat. You have no such evidence to support such an assertion.
Your argument is just more absurdity to try and discredit Columbus's discovery.
The argument doesn't fly.


You keep saying crap like this yet it never hold true.
Lets see if this time it does.



Wrong. The goal posts have never changed on this end. It is your assumption which was wrong and shown to be wrong.
You can't change that.


Yes, we know!
Those all apply to your arguments and assertions.


And you are wrong because he did discover the land and his discovery lead to it. That is world history that you are idiotically saying is false. :doh
It has been your arguments that are failures on several levels.
Columbus's discovery lead to a widespread knowledge of, new exploration, trade and the eventual establishment of new Countries.
Which is exactly why his discovery is honored.


What you really mean to say is that I wont let your stupid assertions and argument stand and you are now crying about it.
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I made tacos the other night... damn good. Oh, did you say something intelligent yet? Ummm... nope. Still trying to be clever? Yep. :(

:lol:
 
ChrisL said:
It's not spin. The guy was an idiot and a killer. It's pretty much embarrassing to celebrate him.
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Yes it is spin whether or not you think he is an idiot or a killer.
And no it is not embarrassing to celebrate him for his discovery.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I made tacos the other night... damn good. Oh, did you say something intelligent yet? Ummm... nope. Still trying to be clever? Yep. :(

:lol:
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Go figure. :doh Another juvenile response.
 
ChrisL said:
It's not spin. The guy was an idiot and a killer. It's pretty much embarrassing to celebrate him.
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It is a completely and utterly idiotic to celebrate him. Only those lacking in many traits positive would do so.

Acknowledge he opened up an age of discovery? Sure. Hell yes.

Attempt to indicate that he has anything to do with the USA in order to make him seem more important? ****ing retarded in every literal sense of its meaning.
 
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