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Will ObamneyCare work?

Will Obamney care succeed

  • Yes, because of Obama

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • No, because of Obama

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, because it's a great idea

    Votes: 11 21.6%

  • No, it's a terrible idea

    Votes: 23 45.1%

  • 10 piece McNuggets with fries

    Votes: 16 31.4%
  • Total voters
    51
Dittohead not! said:
If you lost it, why are you still paying premiums, doubled or otherwise?

If you had insurance before, why would you go on the state exchanges and get a new policy?

Did you have a policy that didn't qualify because it left too much out?

Your post raises more questions than it answers.
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He'll have to answer those questions for himself, but quite a few people I know lost their insurance when their workplace stopped the benefit in light of Obamacare, driving them to the exchanges.
 
clownboy said:
He'll have to answer those questions for himself, but quite a few people I know lost their insurance when their workplace stopped the benefit in light of Obamacare, driving them to the exchanges.
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While the individual mandate kicks in in '14, the employer mandate doesn't kick in until '15, thus giving the less honorable employers a way to make a few extra bucks in the meantime.

So, they lost their insurance due to the way Obamacare is being implemented.
 
mak2 said:
Exactly what I figured. I was at one point at least as far right wing as you and got all my information from the RW noise machine too. Back about 2000 (or maybe late 90's) I went back to get my masters degree in a field of healtcare administration, I decided to direct as much of my studies as possible to show myself how horrible UHC was so I could communicate that to others. As I learned to understand exactly how studies were conducted and what evidnce meant, I began to study UHC. I was very suprised to find out how far superior UHC is to our system in nearly every measure. It seems pretty much everything I believed was BS. I know well how uncomfortable that feeling is. So I wont press you on the issue.
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I've worked in the healthcare field on and off for decades and I'm tired of the same slogans/memes that circulate among the pilgrims. Since you are up on healthcare/hospital/clinic costs, you know that the majority of the uninsured emergency room use costs are eventually recovered. Not to mention, unless you demonstrate to the admitting personnel that you have the ability to pay BEFORE you receive any care, more expensive tests and any sort of extended treatment is off the table. You receive just the very basics and then we still come after your once and future earnings/assets.

I appreciate that you once were a FoxNews republican, but I never have been. Haven't listened to Rush since his first TV show, and then it was only for the comedy value, have always detested folks like Hannity and Beck. Even when I was a staunch republican I listened to and read sources from all sides of the spectrum trying to identify the truth from the bias.

The only discomfort I feel is in the loss of my freedom and that my grandchildren will never know what they missed.
 
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mak2 said:
I am on several boards all the time and talk to lots of people. But I was just thinking when I read this post...I dont know that I have heard one single person that doesnt self identify as conservative complain about ACA screwing them over. Is there some self identified liberal on this fourm that has been screwed by it?
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The liberals won't complain because it would screw Obama's narrative.
 
Dittohead not! said:
If you lost it, why are you still paying premiums, doubled or otherwise?

If you had insurance before, why would you go on the state exchanges and get a new policy?

Did you have a policy that didn't qualify because it left too much out?

Your post raises more questions than it answers.
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My plan got dropped and we had to go with a different plan. Does that clear it up for you? So much for being able to keep your current plan.
 
I dont beleive that, partisanship only goes so far, screw someone over personally and I bet the partisanship ends right there. So you have noticed the same thing too?
davidtaylorjr said:
The liberals won't complain because it would screw Obama's narrative.
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Dittohead not! said:
While the individual mandate kicks in in '14, the employer mandate doesn't kick in until '15, thus giving the less honorable employers a way to make a few extra bucks in the meantime.

So, they lost their insurance due to the way Obamacare is being implemented.
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Okay, doesn't change that fact that they lost their insurance because of Obamacare. They'd probably still have it if it weren't for Obamacare.
 
Exactly how are they recovered?
clownboy said:
I've worked in the healthcare field on and off for decades and I'm tired of the same slogans/memes that circulate among the pilgrims. Since you are up on healthcare/hospital/clinic costs, you know that the majority of the uninsured emergency room use costs are eventually recovered. Not to mention, unless you demonstrate to the admitting personnel that you have the ability to pay BEFORE you receive any care, more expensive tests and any sort of extended treatment is off the table. You recieve just the very basics and then we still come after your once and future earnings/assets.

I appreciate that you once were a FoxNews republican, but I never have been. Haven't listened to Rush since his first TV show, and then it was only for the comedy value, have always detested folks like Hannity and Beck. Even when I was a staunch republican I listened to and read sources from all sides of the spectrum trying to identify the truth from the bias.

The only discomfort I feel is in the loss of my freedom and that my grandchildren will never know what they missed.
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davidtaylorjr said:
My plan got dropped and we had to go with a different plan. Does that clear it up for you? So much for being able to keep your current plan.
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Your plan got dropped by whom? By your employer? Why? Remember the employer mandate is not yet in force. It doesn't make sense that it was dropped as a result of Obamacare.

Medical care plans have been increasing in cost faster than inflation for quite some time now. What makes sense is that the plan was dropped due to costs to your employer. Now, is the entire premium more, or just the part that you pay? If the entire premium is more, why would your employer have chosen it?
 
clownboy said:
Okay, doesn't change that fact that they lost their insurance because of Obamacare. They'd probably still have it if it weren't for Obamacare.
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That makes no sense. The employer is not mandated to have health care at all just yet. What makes sense is that the employer found a way to get out from under the costs of health insurance, at least for a while. Employees can now get their own plans at a subsidized rate, after all.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It will provide access to health care for millions who don't currently have it. It will make it easier to leave the corporate world and open a small business.
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It empowers the corporate world by putting added costs on small businesses that will slow their growth.
 
mak2 said:
Our current system does not work. Why doesn't that bother the right?
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Our current health care system DOES WORK for the 1% and those who never get sick and those who hate our government....
That is about 20-30% or so....
The other 70 - 80 % do not matter..... far too many don't vote......
 
earthworm said:
Our current health care system DOES WORK for the 1% and those who never get sick and those who hate our government....
That is about 20-30% or so....
The other 70 - 80 % do not matter..... far too many don't vote......
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Those who hate government? So they're anarchists? Could it be that people just don't feel the government should be involved in healthcare?
 
Henrin said:
It empowers the corporate world by putting added costs on small businesses that will slow their growth.
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Yes, no doubt, as small businesses are exempt from the employer mandate.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, no doubt, as small businesses are exempt from the employer mandate.
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The point being is that once they reach a certain size they will have to follow the mandate which will add extra costs to their business. As such, businesses will hold off growth for longer than they otherwise would. Like it or not that is bad for the economy as it will limit employment chances and protect bigger businesses from competition.
 
Henrin said:
The point being is that once they reach a certain size they will have to follow the mandate which will add extra costs to their business. As such, businesses will hold off growth for longer than they otherwise would. Like it or not that is bad for the economy as it will limit employment chances and protect bigger businesses from competition.
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Once they reach that certain size, then they're not small businesses any more.

The best option would be to remove the responsibility for providing health insurance from employers altogether, but exempting small businesses from the mandate while making it possible for the owners and their employees to go on the state exchange and be covered that way is an encouragement for people to break away from the corporate world or from government employment and strike out in the business world on their own.
 
clownboy said:
Well, until Obama started making noise my premiums and coverage had remained stable for years.
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Then count yourself lucky.
Our premiums have been skyrocketing for almost 40 years.
It is just the last couple of years they have slowed down.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Once they reach that certain size, then they're not small businesses any more.
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Doesn't much matter to the great point. You need businesses to be able to grow and compete and government causing business greater hardship to do so is damaging to the economy in terms of wages, employment, and other competitive forces.

The best option would be to remove the responsibility for providing health insurance from employers altogether, but exempting small businesses from the mandate while making it possible for the owners and their employees to go on the state exchange and be covered that way is an encouragement for people to break away from the corporate world or from government employment and strike out in the business world on their own.
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The best option is to end the responsibility on businesses to cover healthcare insurance needs, while not going the government route to solve healthcare needs.
 
minnie616 said:
Then count yourself lucky.
Our premiums have been skyrocketing for almost 40 years.
It is just the last couple of years they have slowed down.
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This was our progression

Great Healthcare for self and family paid for by company.

Great Healthcare free for employee and spouse, small monthly deduction for children.

Great healthcare free for employee, remainder of family for moderate monthly payroll deduction

Great healthcare - moderate payroll deduction for employee and family.

Good coverage, less choices. MOderate deduction - for serious conditions, likely unwelcome interference from insurance company.

Multiple coverage options low /medium/high. Low was likely a really really crappy HMO. Medium was something like your old plan, but higher deductibles, lower maximum limits (would not cover a major health crisis like cancer). High was basically your old good plan, but your are paying a whole lot more.

Same type plans, coverage tweaked to exclude some prior coverage. Price increased. Kaiser added in addition to low/middle/high coverage. Kaiser had what seemed to be better options, but patient experiences vary wildly - cost higher than other plans. h

Same type plans, drug formularies contracted. Coverage tweaked, some coverage eliminated. Very many drugs considered "off formulary" and full cost charged. Much higher premiums.

The above was prior to Obamacare

Same type plans higher cost

Same type plans - even higher cost - but that increase is wiped away (and then some) if you join their healthy choices plan.

Now - Much of coverage is the same - no preexisting condition issues - no lifetime maximum issues. Kid stays on despite preexisting condition until 26. This year there will again be very slight increase - again enrollment in healthy choices program will take away all the extra.
 
mak2 said:
I am on several boards all the time and talk to lots of people. But I was just thinking when I read this post...I dont know that I have heard one single person that doesnt self identify as conservative complain about ACA screwing them over. Is there some self identified liberal on this fourm that has been screwed by it?
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My premiums will double when my current plan expires, but I don't consider myself "screwed" by it.
 
HeritageUsedToCare is up 7% in favorability.
After Jan. 1st, uninsured folks will have their necks removed from the guillotine.
 
mak2 said:
Our current system does not work. Why doesnt that bother the right?
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Because we don't have the money to pay for it and no one should be forced to buy health insurance if they don't want .
 
obamacare was designed to fail, it just wasn't designed to fail this fast. The plan was to get everyone or at least lots of people used to very cheap or even free healthcare and then when the system collapsed of its own weight the pump would be primed to switch to single payer.
 
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