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Which State Would Make the Best Country?

Which State Would Make the Best Country?


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Four states have been former republics. Several have sporadic or persistent secession movements.

Which state, if it left the US, would make the most functional new country?


Iowa (or any state in the Midwest) would make a better independent nation than any of those, because we don't need anything from anybody else. Notice that Iowa was relatively unaffected by the recession.

New York, Texas, and California have extremely elaborate population and economic needs that make them dependent on other regions.
 
Iowa (or any state in the Midwest) would make a better independent nation than any of those, because we don't need anything from anybody else. Notice that Iowa was relatively unaffected by the recession.

New York, Texas, and California have extremely elaborate population and economic needs that make them dependent on other regions.

I think a landlocked country would have a pretty rough go.
 
Well if we could get rid of all the delusional carpet baggers Texas would be great!
 
Is Texas planning on breaking off and drifting into space in addition to leaving the country?

ignored since someone overlooked the thread topic
 
I went with Texas because of its size..Alaska would be my second province, like upper Canada..
The Mormon Province would include most of Utah, Idaho, sizable chunks of states like East Oregon..
The Left coast province is easy..
So is the Confederate province, our Quebec.
Four states have been former republics. Several have sporadic or persistent secession movements.

Which state, if it left the US, would make the most functional new country?
 
Name a state where you can surf, ski, and visit a vineyard on the same day: Californi-ayeeeeeey.
 
Name a state where you can surf, ski, and visit a vineyard on the same day: Californi-ayeeeeeey.

I'm pretty sure you can do this on the big island of Hawaii also.
 
Iowa (or any state in the Midwest) would make a better independent nation than any of those, because we don't need anything from anybody else. Notice that Iowa was relatively unaffected by the recession.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that many of the midwest states import more than they export these days. I don't have any numbers at my fingertips so I could be off, it just sounds like something I remember hearing.

New York, Texas, and California have extremely elaborate population and economic needs that make them dependent on other regions.

You might be on to something with New York, but I'd argue that both California and Texas have the capability to produce more food than they consume and both have abundant natural & human resources.
 
I'm pretty sure you can do this on the big island of Hawaii also.

You're right. I did some search on this matter... and came up with this...

Big Island Hawaii Skiing

Mauna Kea (Hawaiian for 'white mountain') is a 13,796' (4205 meter) volcanic mountain whose summit sometimes gets a skiable/boardable mantle of snow. There are no lifts, no grooming, no resort, but a road goes to the summit to serve the dozen or so world class observatories located at the summit. You must have a 4-wheel drive vehicle to get to the summit, which serves as your "lift." Basically, skiers take turns being the driver, who picks up the other skiers at the bottom of the runs and ferries them up to the summit. Conditions at the top are extremely variable. Winter temperatures range from 25 to 40 degrees F (-4 to 4 C), but wind chill and the high altitude can make it seem much colder. Between April and November the weather is milder, with daytime temperatures varying from 30 to 60 degrees F (0 to 15 C)

However, let it be known, what happens in Hawaii is skiing in the same way that setting up a tent in your backyard is camping.
 
The Big Island is pretty amazing, although when I went up there I didn't see any snow at the summit of Mauna Kea.

The bit about needing 4WD to get to the summit is a bit of an overstatement though, we made it up in a rental Ford minivan.

However, let it be known, what happens in Hawaii is skiing in the same way that setting up a tent in your backyard is camping.

Yea, it's a relatively small area w/out lifts, but I'd argue that the best snowboarding I've ever had was on Unalaska under similar circumstances. No lifts, no trails, just an open face with powder.
 
I really wish there had been snow on the summit when I was up there though.
 
California could be relatively self-sufficient, if need be. Texas could work, too.
Bull feces
"Self-sufficiency exists NOT.
The question should be : which "system" works best
liberalism
conservatism
balance
?
Still a most interesting poll.
me ?
I do not know for certain....only that extremist-conservatism works NOT.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that many of the midwest states import more than they export these days. I don't have any numbers at my fingertips so I could be off, it just sounds like something I remember hearing.

Our exports (food) serve as universal currency. It's always in need and people can't produce it at the same levels.

You might be on to something with New York, but I'd argue that both California and Texas have the capability to produce more food than they consume and both have abundant natural & human resources.

Not nearly enough water. Texas might be able to, but they would have to radically alter (shrink) their livestock industry (which is one of the things that makes them valuable) and become much more vegan-like than they are now.

California's temperate, ocean-side climate allows them to produce foods that are expensive commodities, but that's about all. States that have to regulate water extensively to survive lack the fundamentals of good agriculture.
 
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Our exports (food) serve as universal currency. It's always in need and people can't produce it at the same levels.

That is a very good point, but in order to maintain the standard of living they'd have to adjust to a strictly agriculture based economy. Perhaps it would work, but there would be a lot of adjusting for the people living in the proposed country of Kansas (for example)


Not nearly enough water. Texas might be able to, but they would have to radically alter (shrink) their livestock industry (which is one of the things that makes them valuable) and become much more vegan-like than they are now.

Why would Texas have to shrink it's livestock industry, I'd see that as a great potential export. As far as water though, they have a very long coastline and with the use of distillation they could use ocean water to provide for their drinking needs. Singapore is in the process of doing that now.

Honestly, I think Texas would be a very viable self sustaining nation.

California's temperate, ocean-side climate allows them to produce foods that are expensive commodities, but that's about all. States that have to regulate water extensively to survive lack the fundamentals of good agriculture.

California is the nations biggest food exporter, and produces more than it's population needs (agriculture, dairy, livestock, fish, etc.). Like Texas it also has abundant resources (oil, minerals, lumber and water). Beyond that it has a long standing reputation as a hub for the entertainment and technology industries, which generate lots of capital for very small input.

Beyond that California has some of the best deep water harbors in the entire world, excellent for international commerce.

As far as water regulation, with the Sierra-Neveada Mountains, CA generally has enough water to meet it's needs, but what is lacking could easily be overcome by the installation of distillation facilities on the coast.
 
Killer Cali.

Knows how to party.
 
Four states have been former republics. Several have sporadic or persistent secession movements.

Which state, if it left the US, would make the most functional new country?

Cali. They're the eleventh largest economy on the planet. Maybe Texas as well.
 
LOL Texas would win because they have more lax gun laws. :lol:

But California has more military installations.

And I'd argue that even with strict gun laws (in some counties) there are still a lot of firearms in California.
 
But California has more military installations.

And I'd argue that even with strict gun laws (in some counties) there are still a lot of firearms in California.

Those installations are run by the federal government. I wonder if they would be torn down before secession, or simply abandoned.
 
Those installations are run by the federal government. I wonder if they would be torn down before secession, or simply abandoned.

If it were to really come down to that, I'd say that the people staffing those bases are still living in the state and have the training/ experience to use the equipment on the base. I think that it would be turned over to the state for use & maintenance.

CA and Texas also have substantial national guard components.
 
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