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If you lived in 1938 Germany...[W:104]

How do you believe you would have reacted to Jewish persecution?

  • I would have supported it fully and openly.

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • I would have fallen in line and said nothing.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I would have said nothing openly, but not actively supported it.

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • I would have passively resisted.

    Votes: 16 34.0%

  • I would have openly resisted and been outspoken against it.

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • I would have been willing to put myself physically in harms way to protect them.

    Votes: 6 12.8%

  • I like to think I would have done #4 thru #6, but probably would have done #2 or #3.

    Votes: 17 36.2%
  • Total voters
    47
DaveFagan said:
Sorta like Muslims get painted in the current scenario, eh?
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I figured it would only be a matter of time before somebody said something so thoughtless, unintelligent, ignorant and reactionary.
 
Gardener said:
I figured it would only be a matter of time before somebody said something so thoughtless, unintelligent, ignorant and reactionary.
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Well, since we have ginned up wars against three Muslim countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya) that did not attack us, I suspect a smattering of demonization. Eh?
 
I would probably leave
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Most people naivly hope for the best in any scenario, even when faced with an overwhelming and obvious truth that tells them it will be the worst that will happen.

It happens over and over again, and is even happening these days.
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Don't forget about the power of propaganda; we have some of this (radio extremists), Germany had a ton , I think, everywhere...
 
earthworm said:
I see that we do have one "brave" individual here....
Who ?
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Or at least one who imagines themself as such.

I am about as outspoken as any gentile here when it comes to antisemitism,and I have studied the phenomenon at great length, but I cannot even imagine being brave enough for a direct confrontation. Knowing myself as well as I do, I would probably have emigrated some time before 1938, but if I were still living there, would probably be somewhere between passive resistance and somewhat outspoken resistance.
 
Provided i was an adult with other options, i would have left. Hatred for jews there went back quite a long ways, so resistance within nazi germany could not accomplish much. When pretty much everyone in your area is supporting bans on jewish businesses and shoving them into ghettos, you would know what's coming next. I couldn't stand to live around "people" like that.
 
I would have tried to christen my name, run to a good willing priest and kindly ask him for a baptism certificate, and stop proclaiming to be a socialist.
 
DaveFagan said:
Well, since we have ginned up wars against three Muslim countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya) that did not attack us, I suspect a smattering of demonization. Eh?
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Good grief, the extent some people will go to in order to draw entirely specious comparisons :doh

For starters, Jews were persecuted as an ethnicity. Muslims are not an ethnicity. Jews were not involved in international terrorism. Muslims are. Jews do not proselytize. Islam was spread through proselytization and violent conquest. Jews are a tiny minority. Muslims are not.

and most importantly, a significant number of Muslims ARE the modern day Nazis when it comes to beliefs towards Jews, especially among the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups who were actively aligned with Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's.
 
Just being honest...like everyone else would like to think I'd actively resist by hiding Jews or actively resisting the government but who knows unless you've been faced with a similar situation. I think I'd at least passively resist.
 
calamity said:
Not even close. The anger and hate directed at Muslims here is barely a taste of what I'm talking about.

Like I said in my post, if you really know the history, and if you really put yourself into Depression-Era Germany Post-WW1, it would be almost impossible not to get wrapped up in the scapegoating. Add to that a Charismatic leader telling you how great your country is, how great you, its "Volk", are and how all of it is being undermined by those Jews---the same Jews who are pushing Communism, that awful scourge which already toppled the Russian government--and it would be a given that 90-plus percent of us would get on board that train (no pun).
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Its the truth, and the truth hurts....
And its a must that the whole world knows this; otherwise, history will repeat itself....
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Most people naivly hope for the best in any scenario, even when faced with an overwhelming and obvious truth that tells them it will be the worst that will happen.

It happens over and over again, and is even happening these days.
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Obviously, Max, you are not "most people", but "superior".
So then, what would you have done back in 1938 ?
 
Gardener said:
Good grief, the extent some people will go to in order to draw entirely specious comparisons :doh

For starters, Jews were persecuted as an ethnicity. Muslims are not an ethnicity. Jews were not involved in international terrorism. Muslims are. Jews do not proselytize. Islam was spread through proselytization and violent conquest. Jews are a tiny minority. Muslims are not.

and most importantly, a significant number of Muslims ARE the modern day Nazis when it comes to beliefs towards Jews, especially among the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups who were actively aligned with Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's.
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I see. You are saying that these Muslims are bad dudes. Hmmm, apparently not the same as being demonized. I can't get my head up my rectum to see your point of view. I'll keep trying.
 
Mithros said:
That's a pretty tough question. It's easy to say that I would have acted differently, but the simple truth is that there's nothing unique about the German people.

First, you would have to confront a mob. Most people just want to fit in, so they'll do whatever the mob is doing. The majority of those who disagree with the mob will just stay out of its way. Actively confronting a mob is a pretty terrifying prospect.

Second, it was a lot like boiling a frog. The Germans didn't go straight to the Holocaust. They took a series of baby steps, with each "fixing" the "problems" the last step caused. Today is only a little bit worse than yesterday; maybe tomorrow will be a little bit better. Breaking the status quo is pretty difficult, particularly when it requires an unpleasant act.

Third, it's not like there was nothing else going on. Germany was in a war on two fronts. A German citizen didn't have to go out of their way to find something to distract them from the horrors being done in their name. How easy would it have been to shut your eyes and concentrate on the war effort? Wouldn't that have been the patriotic thing to do? Besides, it's not like you're responsible... What can you possibly do anyway?

In short, most Germans did nothing. Put into the same situation, most Americans would do the same. I'd like to think that I'm independent enough to mount an opposition; but I have to admit that the odds aren't exactly in my favor.
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Except, of course, in 1938 Germany was not at war on two fronts. They weren't even at war on one front. They weren't at war at all.
 
DaveFagan said:
I see. You are saying that these Muslims are bad dudes. Hmmm, apparently not the same as being demonized. I can't get my head up my rectum to see your point of view. I'll keep trying.
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Your comparison between the Jews of 1938 Germany and the Muslims of the United States is ludicrous. I can only conclude you are totally ignorant of what was going on in Germany at all levels of society in 1938.
 
joG said:
Most of the Jews I have known did or their parents had.
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Lots of my family did, but some didn't. Some were killed, some survived and went to live in Israel.
 
DaveFagan said:
I see. You are saying that these Muslims are bad dudes. Hmmm, apparently not the same as being demonized. I can't get my head up my rectum to see your point of view. I'll keep trying.
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I'm not sure where your head is at, but it certainly isn't in any sort of place that allows any information to come in.

Are you one of the regular users of the conspiracy forum by any chance? That forum draws those similar to you for whom the world is only what they imagine it to be.
 
Gardener said:
Good grief, the extent some people will go to in order to draw entirely specious comparisons :doh

For starters, Jews were persecuted as an ethnicity. Muslims are not an ethnicity.
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Of course Muslims have shared ethnic components to their varied sects. There is no definitive divide between religion/culture/ethnicity, it is all intertwined.
Jews were not involved in international terrorism.
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According to NAZI propaganda they were and it was a matter of their culture/ethnicity/religion.
Muslims are.
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This is you creating the same false argument as the NAZI's. It is guilt by association.
Jews do not proselytize.
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So what, so do "christians".
Islam was spread through proselytization and violent conquest.
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So was "christianity".
Jews are a tiny minority. Muslims are not.
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Again...so what?

and most importantly, a significant number of Muslims ARE the modern day Nazis when it comes to beliefs towards Jews, especially among the Muslim Brotherhood and other groups who were actively aligned with Nazi Germany in the 30's and 40's.
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And there you are back to the same false argument again. You were saying something about %, so what % of Muslims are "terrorists"......and what difference does that make?

Are you trying to argue that Muslims have an inherent disposition to terrorism?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Of course Muslims have shared ethnic components to their varied sects. There is no definitive divide between religion/culture/ethnicity, it is all intertwined. According to NAZI propaganda they were and it was a matter of their culture/ethnicity/religion. This is you creating the same false argument as the NAZI's. It is guilt by association.So what, so do "christians". So was "christianity". Again...so what?

And there you are back to the same false argument again. You were saying something about %, so what % of Muslims are "terrorists"......and what difference does that make?

Are you trying to argue that Muslims have an inherent disposition to terrorism?
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If you are really so ignorant and deluded that you suffer from the impression that referring to an ethnicity is a sign that a person is somehow creating the same argument as the Nazis, there is absolutely no hope of engaging in any sort of intelligent conversation.
 
Wiggen said:
Except, of course, in 1938 Germany was not at war on two fronts. They weren't even at war on one front. They weren't at war at all.
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I'm pretty sure that I never mentioned 1938.

The extermination of the Jews didn't begin until 1941, and the Final Solution wasn't implemented until 1942. The Nazi's pogrom against the Jews began in 1933.

I took the liberty of extending the question to cover the entirety of the mistreatment against the Jews.
 
Gardener said:
If you are really so ignorant and deluded that you suffer from the impression that referring to an ethnicity is a sign that a person is somehow creating the same argument as the Nazis, there is absolutely no hope of engaging in any sort of intelligent conversation.
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Absolute straw, I said you are making the same false arguments that German Fascists used to demonize the Jews. You are using a guilt by association argument and you are getting close to saying that Muslims have an inherent predilection to terrorism.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Absolute straw, I said you are making the same false arguments that German Fascists used to demonize the Jews. You are using a a guilt by association argument and you are getting close to saying that Muslims have an inherent predilection to terrorism.
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I pointed out many ENORMOUS differences between the situation vis a vis the Nazis and Jews with the situation today regarding Muslims and the west.

Neither your own extremely dishonest agenda nor that of the individual who subverted this thread by trying to make it about Muslims has any bearing on the issue.

Get an education. It may help prevent you from saying as many ridiculous things as you do.
 
There's something anachronistic about this thread that makes even an honest answer useless.

I answered that, "I would have been willing to put myself physically in harms way to protect them".

And I would have, if we were transplanting our 2013 American "ethics" back to 1938 Germany along with our physical selves.

Wouldn't be the first time I put my ass on the line for people who generally don't appreciate the fact that there are people willing to put their ass on the line for others (note how many people voted "I would have run away" in this poll, many people aren't even willing to put their ass on the line where they, themselves, are concerned).

But if I were just a run of the mill German, with run of the mill German ethics, back in 1938 I probably wouldn't have cared all that much and it's as likely as not I would have joined in with the pogrom.

Not because I think badly of Jews today, but because if I were a European citizen in 1938 I wouldn't have felt any more affinity toward a Jew than I did toward a feral cat.

Likewise, today I think it's outrageous that the United States rounded up Japanese citizens and sent them to their own concentration camps, but if I had been an American citizen in 1942 I doubt I would have batted an eye.
 
Without guns and ammunition, your options would have been limited to suicide missions. What the Hell could you have done to object, write a strongly worded letter to Hitler?

That is why Obama wants our guns and that is why Obama will never get our guns.

The same is true of the United Nations.
 
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