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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%
  • Total voters
    192
Supporters of the GOP argue that the shutdown and showdown over the deb ceiling is the Democrat's fault because Obama and Reid won't negotiate, proving once again that those who vote R are the least informed people alive.
 
Thorgasm said:
Reality has a liberal bias.

Here's some sheeple:

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Almost every one of those sheeple are on your side against ObamaCare. Thanks for posting that.

:lamo :lamo :lamo
 
Here's a good example of the Right being misinformed on the nuance in Obamacare, and then running with the false story as if their pants were on fire.

From Politico to ‘Hannity’: The trajectory of Congress’s Obamacare ‘exemption’ myth

As noted in this space yesterday, Politico didn’t exactly stand by its story that Congress was exploring an exemption for its employees from Obamacare. In subsequent articles, the nonstop news site stayed away from the “exemption” language, as other outlets cautioned that the story had gone overboard.

No matter: Once an outlet of the mainstream media mentions “Congress,” “Obamacare” and “exemption” in the same breath, there’s no plucking it out of the country’s news stream. Especially when Fox News is around....

For a useful fact-check, let’s rely on a primary source. On Aug. 7, the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) issued a proposed rule outlining how health-care benefits would be organized for members of Congress and their staffers. For Federal Register fare, it’s pretty straightforward. It starts off by explaining the legislative/regulatory pickle in which the government found itself vis-à-vis congressional health benefits, thanks to this provision of the Affordable Care Act: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law . . . the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).”
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For those who have difficulty reading past the 8th grade level, here's the translation:
From here on out, lawmakers and staffers must get off of their cushy Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) plans and venture out into Obamacare’s exchanges.
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In other words, instead of exempting Congress, it mandates that Congress join Obamacare. The law does the exact opposite of what Fox and Company have been saying.

No surprise there, of course.
 
Continuing with the theme to call out the grossly misinformed. THere are no Waivers for Labor either, contrary to what Hannity tells them.
Obama administration denies labor’s request for health care waiver
The unions have mounted an aggressive effort to change the administration's mind. They argue that their plans serve a different purpose, and a different group, than traditional employer-based plans, and they deserve a waiver. That would make the plans extremely, even uniquely, attractive to employers, as they would receive both the favorable tax treatment afforded to employer-based plans and the premium subsidies available on the exchanges.

...the effort failed. A senior administration official tells me that the administration "does not see a legal way for individuals in multiemployer group health plans to receive individual market tax credits as well as the favorable tax treatment associated with employer-provided health insurance at the same time." A Treasury Department letter is being released that lays out the administration's reasoning in more detail.
What the White House is willing to do is work with unions to convert their plans into qualified insurance plans that follow the rules of the marketplaces and so can qualify for subsidies in them.
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Once again, Fox misinforms so that their viewers remain the most ignorant group in the nation.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's because Republicans are to blame. But don't more people watch Fox?
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I am not one who plays games about which network is more popular. Its as much or more the Dems fault.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am not one who plays games about which network is more popular. Its as much or more the Dems fault.
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Flip the situation and imagine Democrats were demanding that Republicans "negotiate" over stricter gun control and taxes on carbon emissions.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am not one who plays games about which network is more popular. Its as much or more the Dems fault.
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Well you're the one blaming the media. If you want to run away from that because Fox news does so well in the ratings, that's ok with me.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Well you're the one blaming the media. If you want to run away from that because Fox news does so well in the ratings, that's ok with me.
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Fox doesn't have the viewership that the three networks combined do
 
The Voters.

They're the one's who allowed Washington to become so powerful that it can hold their lives and well being hostage. The Founders would have been disgusted, more I think with us, than for the bureaucrats and politicians who're acting as they could be depended on for acting.
 
TurtleDude said:
Fox doesn't have the viewership that the three networks combined do
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That's strange then, because I often hear righties bragging about how popular they are?

At any rate, your whine about the media is noted.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That's strange then, because I often hear righties bragging about how popular they are?

At any rate, your whine about the media is noted.
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at any rate your inability to understand the point is noted. Fox does well among Cable news. its more popular than say MSNBC or CNN.
 
TurtleDude said:
at any rate your inability to understand the point is noted. Fox does well among Cable news. its more popular than say MSNBC or CNN.
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Fox News is regularly outdrawn by Honey Boo Boo.

That's understandable, because if you're gonna watch idiot hillbillies saying stupid stuff, you might as well have a kid in the show.
 
An egocentric junior Senator from Texass has taken over the house as the Speaker hits the bottle in desperation and frustration. If he defies the TEA assholes GOP funding dries up from the Kochs.
They are extorting political leverage as they hold the budget hostage... They want to negotiate settled law, not budget items.
The TEA-GOP goal is anarchy and they are getting it.
They are creating enough diversion and confusion to make the ignorant low information public think this is everyone's fault.
 
Threegoofs said:
Fox News is regularly outdrawn by Honey Boo Boo.

That's understandable, because if you're gonna watch idiot hillbillies saying stupid stuff, you might as well have a kid in the show.
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Honey Boo Boo was an Obamatard
 
Buck Ewer said:
An egocentric junior Senator from Texass has taken over the house as the Speaker hits the bottle in desperation and frustration. If he defies the TEA assholes GOP funding dries up from the Kochs.
They are extorting political leverage as they hold the budget hostage... They want to negotiate settled law, not budget items.
The TEA-GOP goal is anarchy and they are getting it.
They are creating enough diversion and confusion to make the ignorant low information public think this is everyone's fault.
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Its fun watching the fear and trepidation in the left that those who oppose more taxation cause. Who is afraid of the TEA Party? clearly those who are dependent on welfare spending. I cannot think of any other group that should feel threatened by the T axed E nough A lready groups
 
Buck Ewer said:
An egocentric junior Senator from Texass has taken over the house as the Speaker hits the bottle in desperation and frustration. If he defies the TEA assholes GOP funding dries up from the Kochs.
They are extorting political leverage as they hold the budget hostage... They want to negotiate settled law, not budget items.
The TEA-GOP goal is anarchy and they are getting it.
They are creating enough diversion and confusion to make the ignorant low information public think this is everyone's fault.
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It's not everyone's fault. It's BHO's fault.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
It's not everyone's fault. It's BHO's fault.:peace
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Cruz pulled a Bohner and took over the US House of Representatives extorting the system of law by holding the entire US government hostage, and you blame the president???:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
TurtleDude said:
Its fun watching the fear and trepidation in the left that those who oppose more taxation cause. Who is afraid of the TEA Party? clearly those who are dependent on welfare spending. I cannot think of any other group that should feel threatened by the T axed E nough A lready groups
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No fear here my little green terrapin...
Just a slight inconvenience as your party disintegrates before our eyes.
You have thrown in with anarchists my friend and so , you will get your due.
 
Buck Ewer said:
No fear here my little green terrapin...
Just a slight inconvenience as your party disintegrates before our eyes.
You have thrown in with anarchists my friend and so , you will get your due.
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feel free to revolt

remember

no matter what happens
what we have got
is the firepower
and you have not:mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
feel free to revolt

remember

no matter what happens
what we have got
is the firepower
and you have not:mrgreen:
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Umm, you do know the military is under the command of Obama, don't you?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Umm, you do know the military is under the command of Obama, don't you?
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yeah, and a majority of them think he's a moron

and most of them know they cannot be used for civilian law enforcement activities
 
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