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Who do you hold at fault for the Govt shutdown?

Who is at fault for the shutdown?

  • Republicans

    Votes: 87 45.3%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 32 16.7%

  • Both

    Votes: 65 33.9%

  • Neither

    Votes: 8 4.2%
  • Total voters
    192
mac said:
And so no Imperative for the Republicans to work with them. The house funds government, and it's run by Republicans.
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And if the house don't get its way well screw y'all! Liberals should decide what our demands will be the next time we have the house. I say we shut down the government if the GOP won't give in to a 100% death tax on all estates over $500k, a 50% tax on all investment income, and a $20 minimum wage. Yeah, I don't know that the $20 minimum wage has anything to do with funding but it seems about as connected as ACA.
 
All we need to do to end this crisis is let the House vote on a clean spending bill that ONLY funds the government and does nothing else.

Its very simple.

Why can't Boehner find some courage and do it?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Agreed.

How you doing? Were you banned from the Abortion forum?
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Hey Bodhi! Nope, taking a break from the same old arguments. Been nothing really new there for awhile.
 
vvx said:
And if the house don't get its way well screw y'all! Liberals should decide what our demands will be the next time we have the house. I say we shut down the government if the GOP won't give in to a 100% death tax on all estates over $500k, a 50% tax on all investment income, and a $20 minimum wage. Yeah, I don't know that the $20 minimum wage has anything to do with funding but it seems about as connected as ACA.
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That's exactly what Harry Reid said, almost verbatim. "Screw Y'all".
 
Reid has let the Senate vote time and time again on the House bill.

Again and again, the Senate has voted to change the House bill into a clean bill and remove all things unrelated to the government's discretionary funding.

When will Boehner let the House vote on the Senate bill?
 
humbolt said:
It's liberal. Not one single member of the GOP voted for it. Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate
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Whether they voted for it or not, it was a Republicans idea (Heritage Foundation) and they helped to write the bill and were for it all the way up until Mitch McConnell decided he didn't like the mandate and got his wing of the party to oppose it. It was then that the GOP became the "party of no" and right or wrong have opposed everything Obama did or tried to do since.
 
Envisioneer said:
I believe in universal responsibility. Everyone is responsible for every harm that happens to society if they do not solve the problems of society before something bad happens. So everyone is responsible for the shutdown. That means mostly the american people but also for foreigners who did not try to offer solutions. I am at fault for not having come up with a solution that works, but at least I have tried to offer solutions. We should let the house republican representatives' districts to opt out of the law and not have to pay for it or benefit or be harmed by it. We need a solution everyone likes. This would satisfy the republicans and the democrats. Does anyone else want to avoid blame and offer a solution? What do you guys have to say about my solution or other solutions? We need to solve this because we are responsible for this country, some more than others but everyone has the ability to affect change if they choose to so are responsible for whatever society does. We can control and do anything we want to if we dedicate our selves to doing it so we need to dedicate ourselves to solutions. Right?
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that's some heavy duty sarcasm for your third post. bravo
 
Moot said:
Whether they voted for it or not, it was a Republicans idea (Heritage Foundation) and they helped to write the bill and were for it all the way up until Mitch McConnell decided he didn't like the mandate and got his wing of the party to oppose it. It was then that the GOP became the "party of no" and right or wrong have opposed everything Obama did or tried to do since.
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You obviously didn't read the link you quoted.
 
Moot said:
I think it is.....

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This act causes hospitals to lose $40 billion a year in unfunded emergency care.

This is why hospitals are closing.

Under ObamaCare, many more people will have insurance which means hospitals will get their care paid for, which means they will stay open.
 
mac said:
Who, in your opinion, is primarily at fault for the shutdown?
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"Fault" means something wrong or bad happened.

Noone's at fault because nothing bad happened. The government shut down. Leave it shut down for at least the next calendar year.
 
Moot said:
Hi Harshaw. :2wave:

I see your posts are just as vapid and irrelevant as always.
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Well, let's see, Moot; in the first one, I point out the irrelevance of your citing a law passed in 1986 to show that emergency care is at "the root" of Obamacare . . .

And in the second one, I point out the vapidity of your saying things that the link in the post you quoted (quoted including the link) already refuted.

So, while you're correct to intone irrelevance and vapidity, neither is mine.
 
TurtleDude said:
if the obamacare bill is so frigging great why did Obama postpone some of it for some. He didn't have legal authority to do that
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I don't think Obama micromanages the ACA. In fact, I'd bet money there are qualified people in the insurance and health care industry who are implementing the program.

The glitches and delays are likely due to the fact that it's a complicated bill and its catering to a huge market. So there are bound to be a few glitches along the way.


But if you're looking for perfection, I can almost guarentee you won't find it anywhere here on earth.
 
ACA now, ACA tomorrow, ACA forever----just like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all of Nixon's landmark domestic programs...
And to think ACA started with that roughrider, Republican PotUSA T. Roosevelt
 
I have a fabulous idea!

How about the House finally vote on a Continuing Resolution that does nothing but fund the government!!!!

Revolutionary thought huh?
 
NIMBY said:
ACA now, ACA tomorrow, ACA forever----just like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all of Nixon's landmark domestic programs...
And to think ACA started with that roughrider, Republican PotUSA T. Roosevelt
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what sort of idiocy is that? if it hadn't been for FDR's lapdog judges, this crap would have never even have been proposed let alone snuck by four lapdog justices and one who wanted to be clever
 
Harshaw said:
Well, let's see, Moot; in the first one, I point out the irrelevance of your citing a law passed in 1986 to show that emergency care is at "the root" of Obamacare . . .

And in the second one, I point out the vapidity of your saying things that the link in the post you quoted (quoted including the link) already refuted.

So, while you're correct to intone irrelevance and vapidity, neither is mine.
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You never seem to have anything relevant worth responding to, Harshaw. It's all just personal attacks and flame baiting nonsense with you. So please forgive me if I don't respond next time...it's just not worth my time.
 
Sietske22 said:
I have a fabulous idea!

How about the House finally vote on a Continuing Resolution that does nothing but fund the government!!!!

Revolutionary thought huh?
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You do know that bills passed by the government and are funded by the government are also in-fact part of the government right?
 
falcata said:
You do know that bills passed by the government and are funded by the government are also in-fact part of the government right?
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ObamaCare isn't part of discretionary spending.

This shutdown is about discretionary spending.

ObamaCare is funded right now, just like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.
 
Moot said:
You never seem to have anything relevant worth responding to, Harshaw. It's all just personal attacks and flame baiting nonsense with you. So please forgive me if I don't respond next time...it's just not worth my time.
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Neither of those was a personal attack, Moot. Both responded directly to your posts. And both were spot on. Your posts were vapid. That's not my fault.
 
Your Star said:
Easy, it's the republicans fault. They are being unreasonable and childish pricks.
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Often it is both, but on this issue, a law already passed, already ruled on, this is an unreasonable and childish and prickish move.
 
Sietske22 said:
ObamaCare isn't part of discretionary spending.

This shutdown is about discretionary spending.

ObamaCare is funded right now, just like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.
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That may be the case, however about 80 congressional republicans have signed a pact stating they would not pass a spending bill without the defunding of Obama care. Not counting the ones that aren't just doing it by party lines anyhow.

Consequently it doesn't make a difference if it's being funded now or not. They just want it out, and they're using the shutdown as leverage in order to get that accomplished.
 
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