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Are LSD and Psilocybin addictive?

Are LSD and Psilocybin addictive?

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AngryOldGuy said:
um no the 'acid' that you were taking IS not LSD, two completely different things!
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Yes it IS LSD. Look it up.

AngryOldGuy said:
trust me if you'd dropped 5 to10 hits of four way (20 to 40 hits! when one was like whoah dude)
you'd have gone so far away you'd have never found you way back!
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BS. I've taken a lot more than that. When I was 17 me and my girlfriend both dropped a 10x10 sheet of windowpane. That's 100 hits a piece. And we are both doing fine.
 
Muhammed said:
Yes it IS LSD. Look it up.

BS. I've taken a lot more than that. When I was 17 me and my girlfriend both dropped a 10x10 sheet of windowpane. That's 100 hits a piece. And we are both doing fine.
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HOLY ****. You are a ballsy mf. I know it couldn't directly kill you, but that takes some courage. Acid is very unpredictable. Most I've taken at once is 3 microdots.
 
Neither drug is physically addictive. There is some evidence that LSD is psychologically addictive.
 
I went through a period in my HS years that I would say I was psychologically addicted to LSD. Life just seemed boring if I wasn't on it but at a certain point I thought, am I controlling this drug or is it controlling me and then I quit. The main thing though is I felt like it was effecting my surfing skills.:lol:
 
AngryOldGuy said:
hah yeah sbrettt he's never once in his life taken real LSD
if he had he'd know the difference
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You're the first person I've heard try to say there's between acid and LSD. Are you going to say there's a difference between Marijuana and pot next? :lol:
 
AngryOldGuy said:
you are confusing Acid with LSD, we'd all wave goombye to you as you flew off with Art Linkletter's daughter Diane if you actually ever scarfed up 5-10 hits of four way window pane
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They are the very same thing, this is always what LSD was called. Blotter, windowpane, liquid, sugar cubes, you name it, it was acid. The reason why it was called Acid is right there in the name of the drug: Lysergic acid diethylamide

If the substantiation of a second person is not sufficient for you then here the very first line of the wikipedia article on LSD: "Lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD or LSD-25, also known as lysergide (INN) and colloquially as acid"

If that is not convincing enough for you, here it is from the DEA:

"What are common street names?
Common.names.for.LSD.include:.
➔»»Acid, Blotter Acid, dots, Mellow Yellow, and
Window Pane"

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/multimedia-library/publications/drug_of_abuse.pdf#page=65

edit: oops responded to the wrong person.. should be fixed now
 
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marduc said:
Well count me as the second person. They are the very same thing, I do not know how old you are but this is always what LSD was called. Blotter, windowpane, liquid, sugar cubes, you name it, it was acid. The reason why it was called Acid is right there in the name of the drug: Lysergic acid diethylamide

If the substantiation of a second person is not sufficient for you then here the very first line of the wikipedia article on LSD: "Lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD or LSD-25, also known as lysergide (INN) and colloquially as acid

"If that is not convincing enough for you, here it is from the DEA:

"What are common street names?
Common.names.for.LSD.include:.
➔»»Acid, Blotter Acid, dots, Mellow Yellow, and
Window Pane"

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/multimedia-library/publications/drug_of_abuse.pdf#page=65
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You might want to go back and read my exchange with him for comprehension. I was the one saying they're the same thing. :lol: Edit: What the hell, it said you quoted me originally.
 
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sbrettt said:
You might want to go back and read my exchange with him for comprehension. I was the one saying they're the same thing. :lol:
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yeah check out my edit to the post, I caught that.
 
I always preferred l.s.d. to acid. So much more mellifluous when you say elll ezzzz deeee than acid.

O.k., so you actually have to hear me say it to hear how cool it sounds. Trust me, though, it's better.
 
Gardener said:
I always preferred l.s.d. to acid. So much more mellifluous when you say elll ezzzz deeee than acid.

O.k., so you actually have to hear me say it to hear how cool it sounds. Trust me, though, it's better.
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"sid" was my preference.. cuts out the superfluous syllable(s).
 
sbrettt said:
This will be a public poll.
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depends what you mean by "addicted". I've seen people definitely over indulge in the drugs and make them a huge aspect of their lives. But physical addiction? Definitely not. And would argue the same for a mental addiction
 
Hard Truth said:
From both my reading and personal experiences, most people do not desire to use those drugs on a regular basis, even after using them several times, so they are not addictive. I did know on guy who used LSD everyday for a few months, but he had existing mental issues and seemed to be wanting to avoid doing anything with his life.

There is a theory that people who use XTC and other psychedelics often for a long time tend to get into speed abuse later on, because they no longer get the same effect from the psychedelics. (they don't get the same effects from the speed as they did with XTC, but it does provide a consistent high)
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Most xtascy is pretty adulterated and impure. But if a drug struck me as mentally addictive it would be the X. Just for the fact it tends to be the ultimate escapist experience
 
MGMT and LSD.

Just sayin'.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
depends what you mean by "addicted". I've seen people definitely over indulge in the drugs and make them a huge aspect of their lives. But physical addiction? Definitely not. And would argue the same for a mental addiction
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I was thinking psychically, but I didn't know it. I originally thought physical addiction described withdrawal below the neck like that of Heroine, and psychological described what happens in the reward center of the brain. My bad everyone for not understand the word psychological. Edit; Oh, and I thought the term habit forming described what is actually psychological addiction. :lol:
 
Tucker Case said:
You forgot alcohol and benzos. Withdrawal from these two can actually lead to death. You can't die from heroin withdrawal.
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You are correct - sort of.

I admit to not understanding alcohol. Such an unpleasant drug. And yes, there are people who become addicted although I'm not sure that that can happen as quickly as opiates will attatch you. But I'm (speculating) that MOST people can drink alcohol, even get drunk, for a few days and not experience cravings. I didn't know Benzos were addictive. I know that some people can and do abuse them but I didn't know it was an addiction per se (again using opiates a my frame of reference).

So, here's the thing. If you have a drink or pop a Zanny, you likely won't need to do it again. OTOH it takes just one cigarette or a few ingestions of opiates and you will have to fight your way back to normalcy.

The 2 OP drugs though are definitely NOT addictive in the traditional sense.
 
specklebang said:
You are correct - sort of.

I admit to not understanding alcohol. Such an unpleasant drug. And yes, there are people who become addicted although I'm not sure that that can happen as quickly as opiates will attatch you. But I'm (speculating) that MOST people can drink alcohol, even get drunk, for a few days and not experience cravings. I didn't know Benzos were addictive. I know that some people can and do abuse them but I didn't know it was an addiction per se (again using opiates a my frame of reference).

So, here's the thing. If you have a drink or pop a Zanny, you likely won't need to do it again. OTOH it takes just one cigarette or a few ingestions of opiates and you will have to fight your way back to normalcy.

The 2 OP drugs though are definitely NOT addictive in the traditional sense.
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It takes more than one cigarette, as well as opiates, to get addicted. Often way more.

I know LOTS of people who are long term "social smokers". People who only smoke about once a month (my wife). I know numerous people who have used opiates "on occasion" without becoming addicted.

Those drugs are highly addictive, yes, but they aren't "one and done" like how they are portrayed.

As far as LSD and psilocybin go with regard to addiction, there is a good deal of research which indicates they can be used to help fight alcohol addiction. My former supervisor is an expert on using psychotropics to treat various mental health issues and he speaks on the topic at various conferences nationally each year. He gave me a ton of good research articles on the use of psilocybin to treat addiction, migraines, etc.
 
Tucker Case said:
It takes more than one cigarette, as well as opiates, to get addicted. Often way more.

I know LOTS of people who are long term "social smokers". People who only smoke about once a month (my wife). I know numerous people who have used opiates "on occasion" without becoming addicted.

Those drugs are highly addictive, yes, but they aren't "one and done" like how they are portrayed.

As far as LSD and psilocybin go with regard to addiction, there is a good deal of research which indicates they can be used to help fight alcohol addiction. My former supervisor is an expert on using psychotropics to treat various mental health issues and he speaks on the topic at various conferences nationally each year. He gave me a ton of good research articles on the use of psilocybin to treat addiction, migraines, etc.
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Yeah, Nancy Reagan was full it. I'm amazed Psilocybin isn't a controlled substance. I think it could help a lot of people, and based on a lot of the research, it's a lot more effective than what is currently used to treat OCD, anxiety,(might be overkill on normal migraines), cluster headaches. I gotta say, I've never heard of it being used to treat addiction though?
 
The last time I ingested any l.s.d. was in 2011, and psilocybin 2011.


I'm not an old timer life some of you :2razz:
 
sbrettt said:
I gotta say, I've never heard of it being used to treat addiction though?
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There's interesting research that indicates people who use psychedelics during addiction treatment and have some sort of transcendental spiritual experience during the "trip" (much like those seen with religious groups that use psychedelics in their religious rituals) have significantly lower rates of relapse than controls.
 
Tucker Case said:
There's interesting research that indicates people who use psychedelics during addiction treatment and have some sort of transcendental spiritual experience during the "trip" (much like those seen with religious groups that use psychedelics in their religious rituals) have significantly lower rates of relapse than controls.
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Oh okay. In my opinion, Psilocybin practically forces you to self reflect, and seems to eliminate a lot of the bias that comes with self reflection. So, it makes perfect sense that addicts would feel more motivated to quit their addictions. By the way, props to your friend for speaking out for common sense. It's nice to hear people in medicine give voice to reasonable change. :peace
 
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Tucker Case said:
It takes more than one cigarette, as well as opiates, to get addicted. Often way more.

I know LOTS of people who are long term "social smokers". People who only smoke about once a month (my wife). I know numerous people who have used opiates "on occasion" without becoming addicted.

Those drugs are highly addictive, yes, but they aren't "one and done" like how they are portrayed.
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I know how low the esteem is here for anecdotal evidence. Still, it's what I have available:)

I've always been amazed by social smokers and casual opiate users. My own Sister was a casual smoker, only one in the evening. OTOH I stole a cigarette from as camp counselor at the age of 12 and promptly became addicted. 58 years later and if they hadn't invented E-cigs, I'd still be an addict. I suppose I still am, just a cleaner and more convenient one. The odds will not be in your favor. That's why the tobacco industry is so huge and profitable despite government interference and that's why on a freezing day in a city, you'll see smokers freezing and smoking at the same time.

As for opiates, I'll agree that most people can take prescribed pills as directed. So, after a surgery, you can take your 2 or 3 10/350 Percocets for a week and then never take another one. You might feel crappy the day after you stop but yes, you should be alright. OTOH, crush up an Oxy 80 or some Mexican Tar and snort or inject it, your story may not have such a happy ending.
 
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