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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?


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No, you don't. Do you eat food? Drink water? Those kind of things? Then you do what the system gives you, and that is not necessarily the type of food you would want if you were informed about its reality. Thats just a very basic example.

Oh, please (I'm vegan and a gardening expert) and I'm so alpha.

So unless you are very rich (100+ mill) and are managing that money in a way that they will be safe, regardless of what the system does. Then you are owned by the system.

I'm gorgeous, talented, brilliant and possess the experience of dreams.


Jogging is benefitial to society, not only to me.

I volunteered airborne infantry during war and served with the 82nd, left a nice private uni to do so. I took my masters in Europe (Intl. Env. Sci). I spent two years alone in rural Africa, after two previous visits, for my dissertation research, researching and working for development (specifically, low-input agriculture and gender rights). I plan to teach public HS (5 years) to give back to my country, in thanks, before I settle in Africa. I believe in a neoexodus of the developed world educated to the developing to reverse the brain drain and own (thus be able to solve, as a world) poverty.

Pics here: ecofarm's Album: pics


And you went jogging. How dare you question me?
 
Oh, please (I'm vegan and a gardening expert) and I'm so alpha.



I'm brilliant, gorgeous and possess the experience of dreams.




I volunteered airborne infantry during war and served with the 82nd, left a nice private uni to do so. I took my masters in Europe (Intl. Env. Sci). I spent two years alone in rural Africa, after two previous visits, for my dissertation research, researching and working for development (specifically, low-input agriculture and gender rights). I plan to teach public HS (5 years) to give back to my country, in thanks, before I settle in Africa. I believe in a neoexodus of the developed world educated to the developing world to reverse the brain drain and own (thus be able to solve, as a world) poverty.

Pics here: ecofarm's Album: pics


And you went jogging. How dare you question me?

What the heck, everyone can't be as awesome as you. Those are some high standards indeed. :mrgreen:
 
I heard vegetarians smell worse. Must be all that broccoli.

Water conservation and worry. Without the worry, no body odor. Honest sweat doesn't stink.
 
So this thread is just a European starting a thread to trash the United States. :coffeepap
 
Oh, please (I'm vegan and a gardening expert) and I'm so alpha.

Credit to you then!
Personally I eat meat, and I like it. But I try to only eat meat from animals that have been treated well so that I do not contribute to animal torture. Besides that, the quality is superior to normal meat.
Personally I find biodynamic agriculture very interesting. I suppose what you would do in Africa is much in the same direction? Self sustained farming.


I'm gorgeous, talented, brilliant and possess the experience of dreams.

:peace



I volunteered airborne infantry during war and served with the 82nd, left a nice private uni to do so. I took my masters in Europe (Intl. Env. Sci). I spent two years alone in rural Africa, after two previous visits, for my dissertation research, researching and working for development (specifically, low-input agriculture and gender rights). I plan to teach public HS (5 years) to give back to my country, in thanks, before I settle in Africa. I believe in a neoexodus of the developed world educated to the developing to reverse the brain drain and own (thus be able to solve, as a world) poverty.

YES! Credit to you for that, but not for your attitude previously in this thread :lol:

Education and knowledge is THE key to solve poverty! There is absolutely no other way to solve it. Only if the people without the means to take care of themself, get the knowledge to do so, will the problems be solved. In my opinion.

I think all above mentioned things are great, perhaps aside from the military thing.

I have the same belief as you actually. That everyone has a lot to win if knowledable people in the west offer their knowledge and teaching to those in need.



And you went jogging. How dare you question me?
Pics here: ecofarm's Album: pics

I do lots of things, jogging is ONLY one of them. :peace


There are probably millions of ways to make the world better, and they ALL count, including the smallest things. So, I am happy to hear about how YOU are contributing.
 
Didn't answer my question. Aside from being well informed, how are you utilizing your knowledge in your life. That is, how are you in your part making a difference and practicing what you preach? I mean, you calling society pathetic and the masses sheep does nothing for me on an individual basis nor is it really helping all of us here so I ask, with your well found knowledge what are you doing to change that little part of society you live in outside the forum?

Sorry it's a loaded question.

I try many things.

I avoid eating tortured animals as mentioned earlier. (only eat well treated ones)
I stay healthy to avoid being a drain on society. (eat ethical and healthy food, live healthy, do healthy activities)
I try to help people every day.
I stay informed (as mentioned).
I minimise my ecological footprint (use as little power as possible, sort trash, I don't drive. etc)
I donate to the needy.
I volunteer help.
I don't lie, don't misbehave, don't steal. Nothing like that. I don't manipulate or deceive. etc etc.

Is that enough? I am sure I can come up with more if you want, but they pretty much touch my whole lifestyle and everything that I am trying to do in general. And I am still young.


What about you?
 
I try many things.

I avoid eating tortured animals as mentioned earlier. (only eat well treated ones)
I stay healthy to avoid being a drain on society. (eat ethical and healthy food, live healthy, do healthy activities)
I try to help people every day.
I stay informed (as mentioned).
I minimise my ecological footprint (use as little power as possible, sort trash, I don't drive. etc)
I donate to the needy.
I volunteer help.
I don't lie, don't misbehave, don't steal. Nothing like that. I don't manipulate or deceive. etc etc.

Is that enough? I am sure I can come up with more if you want, but they pretty much touch my whole lifestyle and everything that I am trying to do in general. And I am still young.


What about you?

"none of the above"
or
Good for you, Max...its a privilege being in the company with such a superior man.....or should I say child.......
I am being facetious and sarcastic.....
 
I don't think ecofarm is the only one contributing. Although I'm no serviceman (hats off to eco for his services for this nation) what I can only say for myself is I received an undergraduate degree from CSUDH (California State University Dominguez Hills) receiving my bachelors degree in both Psychology (emphasis on Neuropsychology) and Philosophy (Yes I double majored and was able to graduate in 3 years!). I didn't learn true charity work until I pledged in Omega Psi Phi Mu Zeta Chapter a general info of my fraternity can be seen here: The Official Website of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity

Not only did we work in soup kitchens we also worked with other fraternities in helping out victims of hurricane katrina by some of us flying out there to help with the relief efforts. We are constantly working with the homeless and also donate to other reputable charities that assist people who are going through foreclosures. I've never been in the military but the way our fraternity is ran it might as well be paramilitary. With hardwork and a lot of research in undergraduate studies I applied, and was accepted into the Brain and Cognitive Science program at the University of Southern California where I'm currently pursuing doctoral studies. Although I've been in the program since 2009 and have received my masters, I'm continuing my schooling. Although it is tedious with me working full time it is tedious hard work.

Speaking of work I work at a hospital (which I will leave undisclosed for purposes of privacy) in L.A where I am a discharge planner, which is a job I am loving so far as I am assisting many social workers and Case Managers in patient placement in various facilities throughout L.A county. Although I'm not the main factor, my personal involvement with patient care allows me to get an idea of various patients conditions we call, psychosocial. I personally think in my life in doing this job I've made a difference in the lives of people, whether it's a smile, getting them a cup of water, or upon evaluating them, listen to their trials and how they've ended up being in patient. A lot of patients I see have degenerative brain diseases where they eventually die before they could be transferred to palliative care.

I've seen dead bodies, babies, GSW's (Gun Shot Wounds), hurt families, people in pain, people suffering from suicidal ideation you name it, I've seen it. Which is why a lot of times when I narrate a perspective of mine, I try to include some of my own personal experiences. What I've learned in working in the medical field is that when it comes to distress whether biological, emotional or psychological we human beings are all the same. I also think while working in the medical field, the smallest act of kindness goes a long way. Some people who may wait a year or two, have come back and thanked me for my assistance and I may not remember who they are as I see it as just me doing my job.

I've held the hand of a dying patient who was afraid to die alone because she felt her family didn't love her, second to losing my mother at age 19 the was one of the hardest things I had to do, but I surely believe on a microcosmic scale, we can make a small difference in the society we are in. Of course on a grand scale it is difficult but I believe if we are involved in helping with change I think the small actions we do can make a rippling effect on society.
 
I try many things.

I avoid eating tortured animals as mentioned earlier. (only eat well treated ones)
I stay healthy to avoid being a drain on society. (eat ethical and healthy food, live healthy, do healthy activities)
I try to help people every day.
I stay informed (as mentioned).
I minimise my ecological footprint (use as little power as possible, sort trash, I don't drive. etc)
I donate to the needy.
I volunteer help.
I don't lie, don't misbehave, don't steal. Nothing like that. I don't manipulate or deceive. etc etc.

Is that enough? I am sure I can come up with more if you want, but they pretty much touch my whole lifestyle and everything that I am trying to do in general. And I am still young.


What about you?

“Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.”

-Arthur Schopenhauer

Regarding the eating healthy part in the bold, as a person in the medical field I applaud you for your effort in staying fit and healthy however, from one human being to another, regardless whether you eat healthy at some point you will occupy a hospital bed. Someday you will need medical assistance which will drain the resources of the hospital. Your healthy lifestyle may make this less possible but eventually your human frailty will catch up and you will be one of the needy.
 
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Do you agree with the statement (above)?

What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.


Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. Everyone is ready to embrace a society which is well organised and stable with a model that doesn't look like its made by monkeys. Everyone is ready for a society without all the lies, the deceit, manipulation and corruption. Everyone is ready to embrace a free society rather than be jailed and restricted by their governments. Everyone is ready to be free and open their mind instead of being narrow minded and controlled. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where everyone else is good and kind. Everyone is ready to live on a clean and wonderful planet. Everyone is ready to embrace useful change. Everyone wants quality. Everyone is ready for a fair economic system that make sense. Everyone wants everyone else to smile. Everyone wants a world of joy. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants to experience fantastic and great things. Everyone wants to breathe clean air, everyone wants to drink pure water, everyone wants to eat delicious food. We all want to be happy. Everyone wants to live on a planet where everyone else is happy. Everyone wants a planet where everyone have all these things. Everyone wants to have a just society.


But no. We have a society full of corruption, our planet is turning into a horrible hole, we are ruining the only place we have. We fight wars AGAINST OURSELVES. We lie, we manipulate, we are cruel to each others. We live on deception. Everyone is trapped in a society with massive brainwashing, where they have no ability to think for themselves any longer. We let the governments take all power and leave only an illusion to the people. Our society look like its organised by monkeys and savages. People starve, die of thirst and suffer every single minute. Our society is completely unstable so we choose not to cooperate and rather work against each others. For anyone who is awake and not an idiot, our society doesnt make sense at all. We poison our own food, we pollute our drinking water and soil, we empty the oceans, we live in really ugly cities. The government is hugging us so hard that they are suffocating us. Our rights are taken away day by day. We only care about profit. Everything we buy is low quality junk. Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job, most people think only of them self. Most people say cruel things to others and try to create disharmony since they have no harmony themselves. We all feel bad.

So f*** the US, they are now the worst.
...and Europe, we are on the same slippery slope.

We step on the shoulders of the poor and suffering, we abuse other nations, we wage wars against them and kill their families, we poison their minds with unsound logic, we pretend we have democracy and stand and step on freedom and choice. We do most of the above things. We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

So, aside from the crooks in the US and Europe, how is the rest of the world? A damn slave labour camp, and those who don't do that, they suffer and die every day, from starvation or thirst or just horrid general conditions.


This is ONE planet. We are ALL responsible to look at ourselves as ONE people. If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

Personally I am deeply ashamed to be a human being, being part of such a pathetic civilisation among people who do such horrendous things. I feel deeply ashamed that we let the people suffer, starve and die when we can EASILY do something about it. I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.


Take your head out of the sand and vote.

Yep. Most intelligent people would agree that world government would solve many of the whopper problems. What is difficult is agreeing on the toolkit for making the collective decisions. How much say would you want to give a voter in India or Malawi over your minimum wage or marriage contract?
;)
 
Yep. Most intelligent people would agree that world government would solve many of the whopper problems. What is difficult is agreeing on the toolkit for making the collective decisions. How much say would you want to give a voter in India or Malawi over your minimum wage or marriage contract?
;)
World government would make things worse.

Look at the corruption we have already, in the various governments around the world (and in the UN, for that matter, which is as close to "world government" as we've gotten so far.

Way I look at it, without the disagreements and such between governments, a world government would become the most corrupt government ever seen, given enough time.

Or something like that.
 
World government would make things worse.

Look at the corruption we have already, in the various governments around the world (and in the UN, for that matter, which is as close to "world government" as we've gotten so far.

Way I look at it, without the disagreements and such between governments, a world government would become the most corrupt government ever seen, given enough time.

Or something like that.

I think you are absolutely right. The potential for corruption would be grand. But that is not enough to prevent a good thing. We could be creative.

On the other hand, research seems pretty sure on the fact, that the developing international situation will all but guarantee a world war probably with atomic weapons, unless we find a way to ensure security on a supra national level. This is not a very nice prospect.

So one of the items on the agenda in constructing a global government would be transparency. Everybody involved has 24/7 surveillance and any reporter can watch or some such mechanism.
 
I think you are absolutely right. The potential for corruption would be grand. But that is not enough to prevent a good thing. We could be creative.

On the other hand, research seems pretty sure on the fact, that the developing international situation will all but guarantee a world war probably with atomic weapons, unless we find a way to ensure security on a supra national level. This is not a very nice prospect.

So one of the items on the agenda in constructing a global government would be transparency. Everybody involved has 24/7 surveillance and any reporter can watch or some such mechanism.
In such a situation, the government officials would go insane. Rapidly.

No one can handle knowing they're being watched all the time.
 
In such a situation, the government officials would go insane. Rapidly.

No one can handle knowing they're being watched all the time.

Are you thinking of Nixon?
 
Of that, I'd NOT be proud.
And, in being so negative, you are "turning off " people..
I do this as well....not good..

Right...

That was more a year, right, sarcastically speaking.

Ofocurse, that does not translate well in written form.
 
Yep. Most intelligent people would agree that world government would solve many of the whopper problems. What is difficult is agreeing on the toolkit for making the collective decisions. How much say would you want to give a voter in India or Malawi over your minimum wage or marriage contract?
;)

Again, I don't believe it is about "they and us". It is all "us".We just have to find way together to make the world fair for everyone.

If I buy a piece of electronic equipment, produced on what we in the west would call slave labour, and where the people who produce it have no choice but to participate in the slave labour, and hate their life and days etc as a slave. Then I would be contributing to slavery.

A global mimimum wage would for prevent that everything becomes about the lowest common denominator. That a company can move from one place to another, just to exploit the desperate. But then again, I don't believe in a minumum wage, I believe in workers rights. If we have no minimum wage, ofcourse companies will move to countries with no workers rights, because its cheaper!

On the other hand, it is good for those people to be able to work to afford basic things. But it is only good in a dysfunctional world where they can otherwise not afford basic things like food.

We HAVE to have global human rights (including minimum workers rights, to abolish modern slavery).

We CAN distribute food to everyone.

We have the POSSIBILITIES now to distribute sexual education and condoms to everyone in the world who wants that.

We COULD provide a practical education to everyone in the world.



BUT BUT BUT.

We have no global human rights, so countries are free to treat their people as they want, including cruel and terrible acts, EVERY DAY.
We in the west buy products from producers who use slave labour, and we put absolutely no demand on them at all.

In the developed world, we eat so much that we die from it. We dispose of enourmous amounts of food. In the poor countries they would sacrifice their life just to eat the food we dispose of, because they die from lack of food. These people cannot at all be productive, not physically, not intellectually, nothing, nada. They have to spend all their time worrying about food, often in total misery. But why is this, when the world produce more than enough food for everyone?
Personally I believe it is because of the economic mode, because of profit etc. Capitalism WILL make sure one part of the population is rich and that one part is poor.
I am not talking about free market economy, which we had for thousands of years already, but capitalism.


We have a population disaster around the world. We have absolutely no control and the situation is dangerous for all of us. The planet is already overpopulated, we cannot manage ourself at all. With population growth out of control, it almost works as a guarantee that we never will be able to.

In the old days, they sent missionaries from churches to the world for a variety of purposes. If we wanted to we could send a million people for 10 years to provide sexual education, provide ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy, provide some hope, basical knowledge and equipment to the ones in the world who needs that. And that sad thing is, that it would take less money than 1 year of defense spending in the US to do so. We would be able to do it for 10 years, 1 million "missionaries".
If we double that and send 1 million teachers in addition we can make a real difference.

We would prevent wars, disasters, hunger etc. Just for rediverting 2 years worth of defense spending.


But its not really about the money, its about people, the equipment and time. But in our economic model, its not possible to think like that, because the only thing which count, is money.


Which in my opinion is pathetic system.
 
World government would make things worse.

Look at the corruption we have already, in the various governments around the world (and in the UN, for that matter, which is as close to "world government" as we've gotten so far.

Way I look at it, without the disagreements and such between governments, a world government would become the most corrupt government ever seen, given enough time.

Or something like that.

We don't need a world government, but we do need global laws.
 
In such a situation, the government officials would go insane. Rapidly.

No one can handle knowing they're being watched all the time.

True
And, I know the feeling, at times I have been watched...........not good.

However, we are watched indirectly, all of us , to a lesser or greater extent....
That people CARE is paramount.....both the watched and the watchers..

Max, you speak the truth, IMO.
But, the way in which you present it..........................
We cannot be as perfect as you think yourself to be...
 
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So one of the items on the agenda in constructing a global government would be transparency. Everybody involved has 24/7 surveillance and any reporter can watch or some such mechanism.

This I like. I think about this all the time actually.
How is it that we let our politicians surveillance us, but we never surveillance them, audit or otherwise keep them accountable?

In a true democracy, the government have to be open. Open means fully transparent, no secrets (except ongoing sensitive operations that immediately after must be declassified), and where politicians MUST be held under the control of the people, one way is through surveillance.

Now we have secrative governments, completely opaque, who never inform the people, who runs secret police, secret organisations, are never held accountable and are never audited by the people.

Its an insult to everyone to call that democracy.
 
Right...

That was more a year, right, sarcastically speaking.

Ofocurse, that does not translate well in written form.
So, if so, try again, Max...
In other words, I read your post and wonder "what is he saying ? "
Elaborate , edit, then re-elaborate...
 
Ironic.........
The same percentage ( 87 ) believe that our civilization is NOT pathetic and those in Massachusetts like their Romney-Care...
Rather meaningless as these are not the same people...
And, I wonder , why all the fuss from the conservatives about ObamaCare ?
Perhaps , the people matter NOT to the conservatives...
 
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