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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?

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Maximus Zeebra said:
How do you measure success? Is it not wrong to measure it on an individual basis?

Should we not rather measure success on how the most unsuccessfull person in the world has it rather than the most successfull?
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Measuring successfulness by modeling the unsuccessful! :shock:
 
Rainman05 said:
Send them to colonize Alpha Centauri? :D
They can use The tamale spaceship.

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Thought you were to keep this high intel a secret for a while longer?!
 
The Mark said:
Your use of "everyone" is in almost all examples inaccurate. Sometimes wildly so.
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That was quite the point. Keep being in the box :)
The Mark said:
Not to mention many of those "everyone" statements contradict each other..
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Beyond the point and completely irrelevant.
The Mark said:
You basically said: Humans suck.
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Nope. Didn't say that. Said our accomplishments suck, that being our civilisation that we best can be measured by. The rest of your post is completely uninteresting and not very civilised, so i wount answer it. Why is your response so emotional? Typical people on this forum to act wildly emotional. Perhaps that's why MANY in this thread don't see things in a rational way.. hmm
 
earthworm said:
Not true, as i see it. Define good.....people.. And you will have a million different definitions. The Amish "good" is different than mine; mine is different from yours; yours will be different from my Aunt Tizzy's....on and on...
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No, most people are good, they are just people. People are born good and innocent. This world turns some of those into the worst monsters. And those are not good. This world affects us all in some way towards bad things, for some more than others. Besides, I am not the judge of good or not, but that is my take on it.

Perhaps you can start another thread about good discussing how to define good, what makes someone good etc eetc, because that is a huge topic.
 
I forgot to mention that you peoples guts are owned by the government.

Over here in Europe land, people are waking up to reality, in the US, which most of the people on this forum is from, you are all quite asleep still.
 
Visbek said:
Or, you can recognize that the world is a much safer place today than it was just a few hundred years ago. People in the West have better medical care, abundant food, and fantastic communications options. For all the stick they get and the occasional failures, the UN has done a pretty good job at keeping wars from getting completely out of hand. You can travel around the world safely, and in good health; that was barely possible before the 20th Century.

The world is far from perfect, and could use a lot of changes. But it's far, far better than you make it out to be. Don't blame the world for your pessimism.
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Wow, wohooo.. We have come so far.. :doh

Over the dead bodies and suffering of the rest of the world, :peace


Visbek said:
Uhm. Have you not read many of the posts on this web forum?!? ;)

There will always be conflicts between groups, and competing interests. Someone somewhere is always going to starve. Deceit is a part of humanity, there is absolutely no way to eradicate it. Corruption can be tamped down, but not eliminated.

A world without suffering and lies and corruption is not an imminent reality. That's a fantasy, and the claim that your paradise is achievable only makes it harder to improve the real world we all have to live in.
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I don't agree with that assessment. I guess I have a higher view of and hope for humanity than you do. I think that is an essential next step for humanity. To mature and outgrow all of those pity problems. We can easily eradicate those things if we want. But it is not on the agenda, bickering and patheticness is on the agenda.

A world without suffering, lies and corruption is for the first time in history within grasp. I say this because information is widely available to everyone, global communication is available. I would say this is the first time in history we could make the world a better world, a much better world, in a very short time.

It is a fantasy yes, because the political class who own all of you, even your ideas, they seem to not want that.


Visbek said:
I also recommend you read Steven Pinker's Better Angels of our Nature and/or Goldstein's Winning the War on War to get a bit of perspective.
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Perhaps I will take you up on that. But I have many unread books in my shelves at the moment that are just waiting for an opportunity to be read.
 
Surtr said:
A) tl;dr
B) *Civilization
C) If you're going to call people stupid, and **** America, blah blah blah, at least try to abstain from grievous grammatical errors and logical fallacies.
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c. nah. you understood the post. I don't want to spend time editing.
b. civilisation in British English.


Besides, you are a great example of why the government own your guts.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I forgot to mention that you peoples guts are owned by the government.

Over here in Europe land, people are waking up to reality, in the US, which most of the people on this forum is from, you are all quite asleep still.
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Allu Ackbar!
 
German guy said:
What exactly do you think we must do to change the world? Workable solutions, please.
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That's not for me to be expanding on. It is for everyone in this world to decide.

But for that to work, we have to have actual democracy where the people openly partake and decide in the shaping of our society instead of some monsterously corrupt devils in a deeply corrupt political elite governenment. And yes, I am talking about the whole world, and in particular about Europe and the US where we have this delusion that we are a democracy.

So, to start with, I would suggest we set up a real democracy.
 
Cyrylek said:
Don't you think the problem may be that some people think they know what EVERYONE else thinks, wants and needs?
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Haha! I think that's a huge problem.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
That's not for me to be expanding on. It is for everyone in this world to decide.
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IOW, Sharia Law.


But for that to work, we have to have actual democracy where the people openly partake and decide in the shaping of our society instead of some monsterously corrupt devils in a deeply corrupt political elite governenment. And yes, I am talking about the whole world, and in particular about Europe and the US where we have this delusion that we are a democracy.

So, to start with, I would suggest we set up a real democracy.
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hahaha

Like Iranian democracy!
 
shrubnose said:
Correct. My sentiments exactly.

Hyperbole like we see at the beginning of this thread doesn't win arguments or make this world a better place.

I just took a few seconds and rated this thread. I gave it a terrible only because pathetic was not one of the choices.
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Its not about winning.

Its far more important that we all are not loosing.
 
ecofarm said:
IOW, Sharia Law.




hahaha

Like Iranian democracy!
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Are you one of those extremists muslims who want Sharia law in Florida?

Thats not exactly a very constructive way to go about things, is it?


ecofarm said:
Allu Ackbar!
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I dont understand.. Are you a muslim? Or are you one of those people who are blind to everything else in this world because your government only told you to look at muslims?
 
ecofarm said:
Why doesn't the government own your guts?
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Probably because I don't believe in it, secondly because I am not controlled by it.

It partly owns my gut though, because I live in a system owned by the government. Now that is a difficult conundrum, with the system being so bad and all.
 
ecofarm said:
Losing what? The Jihad?




Oh, yes. We have SO many extremist Muslims in Florida! Allah will be pleased.
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Really? thats quite bad then.

I know you have a quite a lot of Muslims in Florida, I have travelled and lived there myself for some time. I saw some, met some etc, but had no impression they were extremists.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I dont understand.. Are you a muslim? Or are you one of those people who are blind to everything else in this world because your government only told you to look at muslims?
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Yes, I am one of the blind people because my government only tells us to look at Muslims. It's not that your arguments and positions are fundie wackjob BS... no, no, it's just that the US government is making everyone hate Muslims.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
It partly owns my gut though, because I live in a system owned by the government. Now that is difficult to get out of.
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Move. No one is stopping you. Go to Pakistan.
 
ecofarm said:
We'd rather you move.
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I'd rather government protect the liberty for all it's citizens. Even that means people like yourself are unhappy for some strange reason.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Probably because I don't believe in it, secondly because I am not controlled by it.

It partly owns my gut though, because I live in a system owned by the government. Now that is a difficult conundrum, with the system being so bad and all.
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Just what system of government do you think affords more freedom to it's citizens?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
That was quite the point. Keep being in the box :)
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Your point was that using the term everyone was inaccurate? What box?
Maximus Zeebra said:
Beyond the point and completely irrelevant.
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So pointing out that your statements contradicted each other is somehow not an acceptable critique? You're not making sense.
Maximus Zeebra said:
Nope. Didn't say that. Said our accomplishments suck, that being our civilization that we best can be measured by. The rest of your post is completely uninteresting and not very civilized, so I won't answer it. Why is your response so emotional? Typical people on this forum to act wildly emotional. Perhaps that's why MANY in this thread don't see things in a rational way.. hmm
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Which is for all intents and purposes "humans suck". Because the quality of "civilization" and the human accomplishments therein ARE the meaning of "humanity".
Unless all that babble in the OP was bull**** you made up to make a point, you, also, do not see things in a rational way.

Or at least not rationality as I understand it.
 
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