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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?


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However if you are the type to call this planet crap and you aren't making any changes, you should kill yourself because you are in the way of progress

Strongly disagree. Bad form. Inappropriate and overly negative views of the self, the world and the future are hallmark features of depressive disorders, which tend to be episodic and very treatable conditions. Suicide ends the illness but it also ends a life. The guilt, shame and negativity Maximus has been sharing is not necessarily a permanent attitude or condition. I don't think he should kill himself just because he has some of that going on. He just needs to process through it and, in all hope and likelihood, he'll come out okay on the other end and see things a little more balanced. I'll probably always disagree with him politically, but that's no reason to wish death upon him.
 
Strongly disagree. Bad form. Inappropriate and overly negative views of the self, the world and the future are hallmark features of depressive disorders, which tend to be episodic and very treatable conditions. Suicide ends the illness but it also ends a life. The guilt, shame and negativity Maximus has been sharing is not necessarily a permanent attitude or condition. I don't think he should kill himself just because he has some of that going on. He just needs to process through it and, in all hope and likelihood, he'll come out okay on the other end and see things a little more balanced. I'll probably always disagree with him politically, but that's no reason to wish death upon him.

Sorry I hear this all the time...

"Oh woe is me, life is unfair. the world is bad."

I feel as a person who works in a hospital who hears this everyday, if life is that bad and you see no light in the world end it. But don't complain about a world in which you are actively not trying to change. Change can be anything. A smile, buy a dog some food. Helping an old man across the street.


The world sucks for a lot of people but one part of humanity is that there are humans who try to make a difference.
 
Because they hate anyone who has different beliefs than they do, of course.

That's an oversimplification. They would all have to be morons to be motivated by nothing other than that. They believe their acts are justified because their God tells them to do it, or their religious leaders tell them to do it. They believe they are doing "what is right" So to them it is acting on gods word and should not be judged the same as a senseless act of violence would be. Sound familiar?
 
My best e-bud from my old political forum was a nihilist too. I met him in an MMO and he dragged me to political debate.

He was kinda interesting and funny.
 
Sorry I hear this all the time...

"Oh woe is me, life is unfair. the world is bad."

I feel as a person who works in a hospital who hears this everyday, if life is that bad and you see no light in the world end it. But don't complain about a world in which you are actively not trying to change. Change can be anything. A smile, buy a dog some food. Helping an old man across the street.

The world sucks for a lot of people but one part of humanity is that there are humans who try to make a difference.

I relate to your irritation with the complaining and I too have worked in hospitals (ER). People just want their own misery to go away, and others want the incessant complaining to go away. But to a depressed person, the attitude doesn't just change by being told to change it. Some people think their unrealistic thoughts are realistic and to them it's their philosophy. They cling to that negative philosophy, they don't want to give it up or be re-oriented, because they think they're right, but it makes them all the more miserable.
 
Ahh, I love it when person B tells person A what the opinion of person A is.


Do you understand that a sentence which opens with the words DO YOU and then ending in a question mark indicates a question to you rather than me telling you what your opinion is?
 
I voted no.

There are a lot of good humans on this planet that strive to make change. However government issues like wars, or planetary problems maybe too big for some people but people try.

However if you are the type to call this planet crap and you aren't making any changes, you should kill yourself because you are in the way of progress

I never said there wasnt any good people.

I suggest the same as you then, if you are one of the people making this planet a worse place.
 
Now check this out:



No, it really truly is not your tree. Do you see where you just criticized people for laying claim to others' resources... and then did exactly that yourself?


You are laying claim to the resources of this planet.
 
Here's my prediction:

Idiots, morons, malcontents, rejects, the ugly, the fat, the stupid and the just plain undesirable will continue to complain about society forever.




I agree.

I'm 70-years old and that has been going on as far back as I can remember and I see no reason to believe that it will stop anytime soon.

It may, but I doubt it.




[B]"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers.[/B]
 
Strongly disagree. Bad form. Inappropriate and overly negative views of the self, the world and the future are hallmark features of depressive disorders, which tend to be episodic and very treatable conditions. Suicide ends the illness but it also ends a life. The guilt, shame and negativity Maximus has been sharing is not necessarily a permanent attitude or condition. I don't think he should kill himself just because he has some of that going on. He just needs to process through it and, in all hope and likelihood, he'll come out okay on the other end and see things a little more balanced. I'll probably always disagree with him politically, but that's no reason to wish death upon him.

Judging by the way you live and think, you should have all that going on.

Personally I have none of that going on, I just feel ashamed being a human being, living in such a civilisation.

I feel even more ashamed when I am on this forum and seeing what people write here.
 
That's an oversimplification. They would all have to be morons to be motivated by nothing other than that. They believe their acts are justified because their God tells them to do it, or their religious leaders tell them to do it. They believe they are doing "what is right" So to them it is acting on gods word and should not be judged the same as a senseless act of violence would be. Sound familiar?

An analyses of someone who is probably not at all familiar with the reality of the situaiton they talk about.

Perhaps the reality is completely different than the one you think. What is your take on normal white western terrorists?
 
, the fat ........ will continue to complain about society forever.

Come on,Man, that's just not fair. Compared to you, that's 99.9736% of all humanity.
 
I never said there wasnt any good people.

I suggest the same as you then, if you are one of the people making this planet a worse place.

I actually try to make a difference. I go out of my way to help people, animals included. When you're shot in the chest I am the one helping you on that gurney and grant it, it's not a part of my job description but I do it. When you say this world is pathetic you talk about any and everything in it, including those responding here.

Let me ask you. What are you doing to change the world besides complaining about it?
 
I just feel ashamed being a human being, living in such a civilisation.

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If you think that's bad, just try imagining the chagrin of those in your civilization at the realization you are in it.
 
Judging by the way you live and think, you should have all that going on.

Personally I have none of that going on, I just feel ashamed being a human being, living in such a civilisation.

I feel even more ashamed when I am on this forum and seeing what people write here.

If you are sick of being human why exist? If you are ashamed at what you see on the forum why participate?
 
Our civilisation is pathetic.

Variety is the spice of life. I'll choose the mish mash we have that can be viewed as a success or failure or anything in between over a single minded utopia a thousand times over.
 
Come on,Man, that's just not fair. Compared to you, that's 99.9736% of all humanity.

I'll have you know that I'm proud not only of my muscles but also my bit of belly fat.
 
Do you agree with the statement (above)?

What a ridiculous world, full of ridiculous countries, and their naive peoples.


Every single person on this planet is ready to embrace a world society that makes sense. A society where we all get along and cooperate, a society where no one starves, where no one suffers. Everyone is ready to live in and contribute to a society where people do not live under horrific conditions. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where we all cooperate for a better world. Everyone is ready to embrace a society which is well organised and stable with a model that doesn't look like its made by monkeys. Everyone is ready for a society without all the lies, the deceit, manipulation and corruption. Everyone is ready to embrace a free society rather than be jailed and restricted by their governments. Everyone is ready to be free and open their mind instead of being narrow minded and controlled. Everyone is ready to embrace a society where everyone else is good and kind. Everyone is ready to live on a clean and wonderful planet. Everyone is ready to embrace useful change. Everyone wants quality. Everyone is ready for a fair economic system that make sense. Everyone wants everyone else to smile. Everyone wants a world of joy. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants to experience fantastic and great things. Everyone wants to breathe clean air, everyone wants to drink pure water, everyone wants to eat delicious food. We all want to be happy. Everyone wants to live on a planet where everyone else is happy. Everyone wants a planet where everyone have all these things. Everyone wants to have a just society.


But no. We have a society full of corruption, our planet is turning into a horrible hole, we are ruining the only place we have. We fight wars AGAINST OURSELVES. We lie, we manipulate, we are cruel to each others. We live on deception. Everyone is trapped in a society with massive brainwashing, where they have no ability to think for themselves any longer. We let the governments take all power and leave only an illusion to the people. Our society look like its organised by monkeys and savages. People starve, die of thirst and suffer every single minute. Our society is completely unstable so we choose not to cooperate and rather work against each others. For anyone who is awake and not an idiot, our society doesnt make sense at all. We poison our own food, we pollute our drinking water and soil, we empty the oceans, we live in really ugly cities. The government is hugging us so hard that they are suffocating us. Our rights are taken away day by day. We only care about profit. Everything we buy is low quality junk. Most people either steal from others as a criminal act or as a legal job, most people think only of them self. Most people say cruel things to others and try to create disharmony since they have no harmony themselves. We all feel bad.

So f*** the US, they are now the worst.
...and Europe, we are on the same slippery slope.

We step on the shoulders of the poor and suffering, we abuse other nations, we wage wars against them and kill their families, we poison their minds with unsound logic, we pretend we have democracy and stand and step on freedom and choice. We do most of the above things. We suck actually. We are immoral bastards.

So, aside from the crooks in the US and Europe, how is the rest of the world? A damn slave labour camp, and those who don't do that, they suffer and die every day, from starvation or thirst or just horrid general conditions.


This is ONE planet. We are ALL responsible to look at ourselves as ONE people. If someone from outside looked at this place, YOU would be considered one of those idiots on a planet with such a pathetic civilisation.

Personally I am deeply ashamed to be a human being, being part of such a pathetic civilisation among people who do such horrendous things. I feel deeply ashamed that we let the people suffer, starve and die when we can EASILY do something about it. I feel sorry for all the dumb-asses who believe we live in good and free societies. Its probably because you only have trash to compare with.


Take your head out of the sand and vote.

Sounds like you want the job to be finished now, mission accomplished, brush the dust off your hands and crack a cold one.
There's lots to do yet, but there's progress being made. The world's better today than it was yesterday (yesterday being a couple thousand years or so ago) and it'll be better still tomorrow (being a couple thousand years from now).
In other words, patience, Grasshopper. You have much to learn yet, as have we all.
 
Good afternoon, longview. :2wave:

My only question is: Who will be running the One World Government that many envision will be Utopia? It must be robots, or aliens from another galaxy, since many humans cannot even get along with their neighbors, or family, for that matter! And I'm talking about how it's been since humans began to walk upright! :peace:

Good afternoon, Longview. :2wave:

Good afternoon, Polgara.
You are correct, the devil is in the details, and anyone wanting the job would be disqualified.:mrgreen:
I think it is pessimistic to disregard all of the progress made to this point.
There is always room to improve, but more progress was made between 1900 and 2000,
than in the 2000 years before.
 
An analyses of someone who is probably not at all familiar with the reality of the situaiton they talk about.

Perhaps the reality is completely different than the one you think. What is your take on normal white western terrorists?

I don't condone, I condemn the behavior no matter how justified you think it is. I am merely pointing out that MOST people take such actions because they think they are on the side of RIGHT; because this is their perception the ends justifies the means. It does not of course.
 
I actually try to make a difference. I go out of my way to help people, animals included. When you're shot in the chest I am the one helping you on that gurney and grant it, it's not a part of my job description but I do it. When you say this world is pathetic you talk about any and everything in it, including those responding here.

Let me ask you. What are you doing to change the world besides complaining about it?

Nah, thats great.

But you clearly have absolutely no idea what I am talking about so I don't know what you are doing in this thread then.

Best of luck to you in this world. I never said anything about individuals. This is not about you, or any other single individuals.
 
I don't condone, I condemn the behavior no matter how justified you think it is. I am merely pointing out that MOST people take such actions because they think they are on the side of RIGHT; because this is their perception the ends justifies the means. It does not of course.

How do you know that?

Or do you just guess?
 
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