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Our civilisation is pathetic. [W:459]

Is our civilisation pathetic?


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I think most people just want to live a good life and have security. If they have that, then I think greed is no longer a topic.

But how many people have a good life and security today? Almost none, just the very rich. They know that they can survive and be comfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. Yet they do something.

I think lowering that bar is possible, that most people in the west would be able to think the same, that they can survive and be compfortable the rest of their life without having to do anything. But then we would have to change the economic model to distribute work better, to avoid a group of people stealing the value of everyones labour, thus leaving the labourers having to labour more and not able to live comfortable, even though our society have plenty.

You see, we do produce enough for everyone to be secure and comfortable in our society, we just distribute it very poorly, so that no one is secure and comfortable unless they put in a lot of work. We organise our society in a very poor way. I mean, if everyone had the same as an example and everyone contributed equally, we could have everything we have to day with half the labour. If we focused more on what is important, and focused less on things we do not need, then I think everyone could get away with working a 10 hour week or less.

The greed we are seeing in general as a society is not the greed of our society, but the greed of the capitalist model.
In my ideal society/system....

There would be no government redistribution.
Rather, laws would be in place to encourage non-governmental redistribution, and to prevent abuses.

Without governmental redistribution, tax levels could be lower, freeing up more civilian funds to cycle through the economy, which would improve matters in that area.


This is of course wishful thinking, but then what you're saying is, as well.
 
Maybe not. But maybe I think bad behaviour is possible to get rid of through targetted and proper education. Without education we would all be savages.

You want to educate people on how to behave? Sounds like brainwashing and I am not for that in the slightest.

But toddlers are savages, because they did not learn the philosophies yet.

Your philosophies

And... You have no hope that the world can turn into a mature and good society where everyone can be happy?

Mature and good? Possibly.
Everyone happy? Nope. Will NEVER happen. Ever.

Do you believe we can have peace on this planet and stop waging war against each others?

Wars on a national level? Perhaps. Depends on if you have crack pots in charge. Depends on if religion leaves the world. Depends on a lot of things...
Peace on the planet? Nope. Will NEVER happen. Ever.
 
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