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Huntsman 2016?

Huntsman 2016?

  • Yes, he's the front-runner

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Probably will be stronger, but still doesn't have enough

    Votes: 8 22.9%

  • No, not really

    Votes: 24 68.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
Juanita said:
Santorum and Bachman were the worst...? Too much religion in their politics...
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Santorum's main focus was to promote the idea that the society is best when the traditional family unit is strengthened. This is because of economic and crime statistics support that view, it comes off as religious because he is religious, but the policy positions were not.
 
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johndylan1 said:
Please, give an in context quote that you found clownish, so that I can measure whether it is the accused clown or if perhaps it is clownish perception.
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Does "I'll bet you $10,000" sound familiar?
 
Zyphlin said:
Apparently you blacked out for all of 2012....because while Anagram is a big fan, I'd dare say I'm still the longest tenure and loudest huntsman evangelist here.
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I tend to ignore them-their guy wasn't going anywhere!:mrgreen:
 
Zyphlin said:
Its horribly sad how many Republicans/Conservatives are so deeply attached to their bitterness and hatred that they allow themselves to be so easily manipulated and blindly led by Liberals and the Media to ignorantly and foolishly base their views of a person not on his record or his views but on what liberals/the media says about him, making comments about how he must be a 'RINO" if someone like that says a good word about him. Ignorant, foolish, pathetic, and weak willed.

The fact that a few liberals, themselves horribly ignorant, suggest favor for a man who...

signed and helped support consumer focused market driven health care reform, who had a good 2nd amendment record as governor and drew positive comments from the NRA, who helped to institute a flat tax and passed historic tax cuts in his state, who took the stance Sean Hannity continually parroted in 2007 of "Secure the Border first" with regards to immigration on the federal level, who reduced state spending as a percent of GDP, who helped raise his state to top 3 in the nation for starting a business through business friendly legislation, and who is a pro-life...

and that magically makes individuals on the right so lacking the desire to actually use their brain and make an actual reasoned decision go "OMG!!!! RINO!!!!"
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I do think there's definitely some room for bipartisan support of Huntsman. But the way that some liberals talked him up as a way of criticizing the Republicans really killed him, (not that his campaign helped rebut that.) The thing is, if a lot of those people actually looked at Huntsman's positions and his record they wouldn't have been supporting him that way. Honestly some of them might have done it, despite knowing they disagreed with Huntsman, because they knew that it helped hurt the Republicans, criticizing them for marginalizing the only sane candidate, but knowing they'd never actually have to back it up by voting for him.
 
Slyfox696 said:
But it is clownish to suggest we should be racially profiling due to religion or appearance, because a relatively small minority do evil. I think Ron Paul's immediate response to Santorum's comment, where he mentioned Timothy McVeigh, illustrated that.
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al quadea declared war, they are Muslim. When Germans declare war you ask Germans questions, when Muslims declare war you question Muslims, common sense.
 
Juanita said:
Does "I'll bet you $10,000" sound familiar?
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I concede that was clownish, But on the bright side Romney was probably the most decent and honorable man that has run for president in the last 30 years.
 
trfjr said:
being for tax reform doesn't make you a conservative it is just one in a 100 issues in the conservative party he fails on the other 99 of them
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Like being pro-life? Cutting spending as a percentage of GDP in Utah? Extremely pro-gun? Strongly opposing the Affordable Care Act? Signing one of the largest school voucher bills in the country?
 
Anagram said:
A lot of foreign policy experience. Strong support for the 2nd Amendment. He's less of a social conservative.
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He's a moderate right leaning social conservative whose pro-life but okay with the notion of gay marriage, who happens to think that global warming is an actual issue that should be addressed but not at the expense of economic growth and stability, actually feels that when you cut government you should CUT GOVERNMENT not cut just 2/3rds of it, and thinks that after you "Secure the border first" it's reasonable to talk about possible means of granting a path to citizenship as a way to deal with SOME in the US....

This makes him not a republican/conservative in the minds of people...laughably, in part in the minds of some who slobber over a guy (based on the same criteria that people judge Huntsman's older views) who instituted state level health care similar to Obamacare, signed an assault weapons ban, who suggested we should "staple green cards" to illegal, was in favor of "Comprehensive immigration reform", who ALSO believes that global warming is real and human action has contributed and pushed for state level action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The reality is there's not likely a republican around that you can't take some action or some stance at some point and make a compelling argument for it to be outside of what is the "norm" for what Conservatives/Republicans typically say or do. But to take those handful of things and ignore the MOUNDS Of evidence the other direction to declare the person a RINO is idiotic. THe only thing MORE idiotic is to declare someone a RINO simply because a liberal, typically ignorant of the record as well, happens to say they like him.
 
I would have voted for wombat over Obama
 
johndylan1 said:
Santorum's main focus was to promote the idea that the society is best when the traditional family unit is strengthened. This is because of economic and crime statistics support that view, it comes of as religious because he is religious, but the policy positions were not.
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Santorum does not understand the difference between "the society" and "the state". Just like our socialist friends, he doesn't seem to be aware that the 20th century had actually happened. Like, for real. And there are some rather important lessons to be absorbed.

Given the choice between a Santorum-like "right-wing" collectivist and an honest democratic socialist, I will probably choose the latter; at least, there's a (feeble) hope that you are dealing with a well-meaning person whose unthinking heart is way stronger than his rigidly programmed brain.
 
trfjr said:
being for tax reform doesn't make you a conservative it is just one in a 100 issues in the conservative party he fails on the other 99 of them
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What are the 99?

Gun Control? Because the NRA has been on record stating they "would like to thank Governor Huntsman … for [his] continued support for the Second Amendment" (LINK)

Abortion? Because he was regarded as a strong support of the pro-life movement and signed multiple laws restricting abortion.

Health Care? As noted by The Daily Caller, Huntsman supported and signed Health Care reform that was market driven and based around the notion of consumer choice in the marketplace...sound familiar?

Growth of Government? Spending in Utah decreased as a percentage of the states GDP during his time in office.

Keystone Pipeline? He's in favor of it and disagreed with the Administrations slowing of the project

Balanced Budget amendment? Huntsman suggested we need to fight to get one

Energy Policy? Reduce regulation on energy production, support things like natural gas, and continue the process of fracking

There's 7 more for you. We're up to 91 then?

Care to contribute some of those "99" you speak of? What number exactly does one need to hit to be considered "conservative"?
 
TurtleDude said:
I tend to ignore them-their guy wasn't going anywhere!:mrgreen:
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Sadly I can agree with that. I was the loudest support, and typically the loudest one shouting about how HORRIBLE his campaign was.

Still gets me annoyed and angry thinking about how much his team botched that thing.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sadly I can agree with that. I was the loudest support, and typically the loudest one shouting about how HORRIBLE his campaign was.

Still gets me annoyed and angry thinking about how much his team botched that thing.
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a bunch of press conferences with Abby in short skirts would have worked far better. :mrgreen:
 
Cyrylek said:
Santorum does not understand the difference between "the society" and "the state". Just like our socialist friends, he doesn't seem to be aware that the 20th century had actually happened. Like, for real. And there are some rather important lessons to be absorbed.

Given the choice between a Santorum-like "right-wing" collectivist and an honest democratic socialist, I will probably choose the latter; at least, there's a (feeble) hope that you are dealing with a well-meaning person whose unthinking heart is way stronger than his rigidly programmed brain.
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I couldn't disagree more, not that Santorum was perfect but we look at who he was running against at the time. I predict that no candidate on the republican side that is less conservative than Santorum will get more than 20% in the primaries.
 
Anagram said:
I do think there's definitely some room for bipartisan support of Huntsman.
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Oh, absolutely there is. As I was saying back during the primaries....Huntsman issues in the primary is going to be the fact he has a Moderate TONE. He's not fire an brimstone, he's not someone that's going to leap onto wedge issues, he's not someone making wild statements. The TONE hurts him in a primary, but would help him in the general election.

And I do think there are a decent bit of independents who were democrat voters the past few years, especially younger people, who could fall into that "Reagan Democrat" mold (THE HORROR! We must destroy the legacy of reagan, some DEMOCRATS liked him. Democrats liking someone means they're a RINO!!!!!!!) in modern times. Gay Marriage is one of those things that bothers I think a lot of younger voters more than other issues might, and someone not just refraining from making wild statements about it but actually being okay about it suddenly may make them able to be more palatable. And I think that there are a fair bit of slightly left leaning moderates/independents who would actually go for the conservative message FISCALLY...but have issues getting past a few of the wedge social issues.

But the way that some liberals talked him up as a way of criticizing the Republicans really killed him, (not that his campaign helped rebut that.)
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100% agree. That said, I actually place that blame again on his campaign. Part of why that was able to happen, and able to get some traction, was that his campaign did little to actually promote the wide range of conservative credentials and actual record that he has to counter that notion. They basically played into it.

I'm still kind of baffled by that HORRIBLE game plan. They basically ran a general election strategy in the primaries which is just.....idiotic.

It actually lowered some of my views of him because it really makes me question the intelligence of choosing his political advisers.

The thing is, if a lot of those people actually looked at Huntsman's positions and his record they wouldn't have been supporting him that way.
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Agreed completely.

For every 10 liberal/left leaning "moderates/independents" that went on and on about how "sensible" Huntsman was or how he was a Republican they could "Get behind", I'd wager there was 3 or 4 who would've been bad mouthing him as TOO right wing if he actually had any shot of winning, and another 3 or 4 on top of that which would've started bad mouthing him as too right wing if they actually looked at his record.

He looked like someone with zero shot of winning, so he was the easy candidate for Liberals to just go "HE'D be the person I'd support" because they knew they'd never actually have to be in a position to THINK about supporting him, so they never really had to give a crap about actually looking deeply at his views and record. They just heard his moderate TONE and saw he had little shot of winning, and so started choosing him as their token "He'd be okay!" guy to use for backhanded attacks at republicans.
 
American said:
Imagine if John Kerry had won.
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the two lesbian socialist judges he would have appointed instead of Alito and Roberts would have overturned the second amendment
 
johndylan1 said:
Santorum's main focus was to promote the idea that the society is best when the traditional family unit is strengthened. This is because of economic and crime statistics support that view, it comes off as religious because he is religious, but the policy positions were not.
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I know exactly what Santorum's main focus was on...I even watched some speeches he made at Catholic Institutions and he was the most radical Catholic that I had ever seen...and his policy positions reflected his religious radicalism..
 
Navy Pride said:
Sadly Huntsman has no chance.........I think there is only one person out there who can beat Hillary and that is Dr Ben Carson.
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lol. This is a joke right?

You do realize you thanked a post that described the current Republican as being being extremists?
 
Juanita said:
I know exactly what Santorum's main focus was on...I even watched some speeches he made at Catholic Institutions and he was the most radical Catholic that I had ever seen...and his policy positions reflected his religious radicalism..
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You must not know too many observant Catholics then. He didn't seem radical at all, that, is if you are a faithful Christian. If you are Secular, you might feel that way, but I gotta tell ya. I'd rather be under the presidency of a radical Christian that a radical secularist.
 
johndylan1 said:
You must not know too many observant Catholics then. He didn't seem radical at all, that, is if you are a faithful Christian. If you are Secular, you might feel that way, but I gotta tell ya. I'd rather be under the presidency of a radical Christian that a radical secularist.
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Gee, then you would probably love Sharia Law......
 
Juanita said:
He was also too nice and neither brash nor loud enough.
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He was too rational.

Remember this:

"To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy,” - Huntsman

Not a good sign on where the rest of the party has gone.
 
johndylan1 said:
Christians don't believe in Sharia.
Christians are not called to institute religious law at all.
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That's what "you" say--they are instituting religious law every day, or making a grand attempt at it...
 
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