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Huntsman 2016?

Huntsman 2016?

  • Yes, he's the front-runner

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • Probably will be stronger, but still doesn't have enough

    Votes: 8 22.9%

  • No, not really

    Votes: 24 68.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • Total voters
    35
  • Poll closed .
AlabamaPaul said:
Did you or would you have voted for Reagan?
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I was not old enough to vote for Reagan and I have no idea if I would have. Times are much different today than they were 30 years ago, and since I was not old enough to understand politics at the time, it's impossible for me to say.
TurtleDude said:
Yeah your definition of stupid is probably a bit different than most of ours.
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We'll agree on that, and we'll likely disagree on why.
johndylan1 said:
Please, give an in context quote that you found clownish, so that I can measure whether it is the accused clown or if perhaps it is clownish perception.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CPQMDS_XO0

A man characterized by his own party as silver spoon elitist and vulture capitalist offers his opponent a bet, in an amount so large it would constitute somewhere between 25% and 50% of most Americans yearly income. That's acting like a clown.


Santorum supports racial profiling; Paul shocked - YouTube

And here's Santorum promoting the idea of persecution of religion. That's acting like a clown.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I was not old enough to vote for Reagan and I have no idea if I would have. Times are much different today than they were 30 years ago, and since I was not old enough to understand politics at the time, it's impossible for me to say.
We'll agree on that, and we'll likely disagree on why.

Mitt Romney Offers Rick Perry $10,000 Bet: ABC News/Yahoo News Republican Debate - YouTube

A man characterized by his own party as silver spoon elitist and vulture capitalist offers his opponent a bet, in an amount so large it would constitute somewhere between 25% and 50% of most Americans yearly income. That's acting like a clown.


Santorum supports racial profiling; Paul shocked - YouTube

And here's Santorum promoting the idea of persecution of religion. That's acting like a clown.
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lots of the other GOP candidates hated Romney

1) he is smarter than any of them
2) he is better educated than any of them
3) he was better looking than any of them
4) he is richer than they are

and unlike McCain and Rudy etc he has stayed married to the same woman and didn't dump her when she became damaged goods.
 
trfjr said:
because you are a liberal
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I'm not a liberal at all. I think where you get confused is where I'm also not an extremist.

so of coarse you would vote for a rino
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I find it amusing when Republicans call moderate Republicans a "RINO". I'm not sure why.
 
trfjr said:
HUNTSMAN: “Right now, this country is crying out for a sensible middle ground. This is a center-right country; I am a center-right candidate. Right now, we’ve got people on the fringes.”
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He ran a bad campaign. He saw too many candidates running towards the right, and thought it would make sense to run the other direction. It was a bad idea that didn't work.

As governor Huntsman promoted programs intended to reduce carbon emissions, including the Western Climate Initiative, which included six states and three Canadian provinces, had a cap-a-trade provision and encouraged fuel-efficient vehicles, renewable energy use and energy conservation. He also appeared in an advertisement sponsored by Environmental Defense, where he said, “Now it’s time for Congress to act by capping greenhouse-gas pollution.”
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He's argued against cap and trade more recently.

threatened to veto a measure repealing in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants
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These bills are passed with wide bipartisan support in states like Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah because they make sense economically. Repealing them does nothing to stop the immigration problem, and hurts the state's economy. You'll notice the repeal effort went nowhere even though Republicans had huge majorities.

In 2007, when asked about a healthcare mandate, Huntsman said, “I’m comfortable with a requirement – you can call it whatever you want, but at some point we’re going to have to get serious about how we deal with this issue”.
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Huntsman overwhelmingly opposes Obamacare.
sounds like a democrat to me
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Not really. I like how you only posted the few issues that he appears to break on, and that really he doesn't on two of them.
 
TurtleDude said:
lots of the other GOP candidates hated Romney
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Which is convenient because so did nearly 66 million Americans.

Actually, that's not true. I didn't hate Romney, I just thought he was the wrong man to lead this country. I'm sure many other people felt the same way. Some probably did hate him, but I think overall he's not an evil person. I just disagree with the views he expressed during the presidential process.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm not a liberal at all. I think where you get confused is where I'm also not an extremist.

I find it amusing when Republicans call moderate Republicans a "RINO". I'm not sure why.
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I have read to many of your post for you to think you can fool me there isn't one policy, ideology, narrative, or platform that you were not on the side of a liberal/progressive

the litmus test for all republicans if they are a rino or not is if libeals like SlyFox696 would vote for him
 
radcen said:
Huntsman 2016?

Yes, it's very preliminary, and a lot can happen between now and then, but if you had to venture a guess, what do you think of Jon Huntsman's chances for gaining the Republican nomination for President in 2016? Do you think he made enough of a name for himself to be honestly considered by enough people next time?
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Most Republicans were too stupid to see that he was the most intelligent and viable candidate that they had... I think the same thing would happen in 2016...
 
trfjr said:
I have read to many of your post for you to think you can fool me there isn't one policy, ideology, narrative, or platform that you were not on the side of a liberal/progressive
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I think where you may be mistaken is on what is the actual conservative position on many of these issues.
 
radcen said:
Huntsman 2016?

Yes, it's very preliminary, and a lot can happen between now and then, but if you had to venture a guess, what do you think of Jon Huntsman's chances for gaining the Republican nomination for President in 2016? Do you think he made enough of a name for himself to be honestly considered by enough people next time?
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As I said in the thread asking Clinton or Huntsman in 2016

Zyphlin said:
Absolutely would vote for Huntsman, but I think he'd have harder time winning the General election in 2016 then he would've in 2016. He's a tailor made candidate to take down Obama, but ran one of the most horrific primary campaigns I've ever seen. He's still a strong general election candidate in my mind, but not as strong of one going against Hillary.

I'd vote for him 100 times out of a 100 over Hillary, but that's really not saying much.

But it's hard to know what the "issues" are going to be in 2016. I LOVED him in 2012 because he had the best combined track record of any candidate when it came to Job Creation, reduction of government spending, taxes, and health care along with foreign policy experience and a holistic approach to dealing with our budgetary issues.

I'm still pissed off at how horrible his campaign was managed, and it's actually something that gives me a bit of pause with him because an IDIOT could've seen it was a poor strategy. Basic Political Campaigning 101 is that you move TOWARDS your base during a primary and towards the middle in the general. Everyone does that, at least everyone that is anywhere to close to winning.
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I think it's highly unlikely he gets the nomination. Poor showing in 2012 when he was ready made for it, and a HORRIBLE campaign didn't capitalize on his credentials that could've easily fought the "moderate" image of him and instead exacerbated that image. Two cycles of "moderate" candidates doesn't help him due to that label being misapplied to him.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Which is convenient because so did nearly 66 million Americans.

Actually, that's not true. I didn't hate Romney, I just thought he was the wrong man to lead this country. I'm sure many other people felt the same way. Some probably did hate him, but I think overall he's not an evil person. I just disagree with the views he expressed during the presidential process.
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yeah those sucking on the public teat didn't have much use for Romney
 
obvious Child said:
That's why the Obama camp was afraid. So they put him in their own camp so the GOP would tear him apart if he ran. However, that's not what doomed Huntsman. Huntsman was simply too moderate, too rational and too stiff to have any chance.
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He was also too nice and neither brash nor loud enough.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I was not old enough to vote for Reagan and I have no idea if I would have. Times are much different today than they were 30 years ago, and since I was not old enough to understand politics at the time, it's impossible for me to say.
We'll agree on that, and we'll likely disagree on why.

Mitt Romney Offers Rick Perry $10,000 Bet: ABC News/Yahoo News Republican Debate - YouTube

A man characterized by his own party as silver spoon elitist and vulture capitalist offers his opponent a bet, in an amount so large it would constitute somewhere between 25% and 50% of most Americans yearly income. That's acting like a clown.


Santorum supports racial profiling; Paul shocked - YouTube

And here's Santorum promoting the idea of persecution of religion. That's acting like a clown.
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OK the bet was clownish, but I think in context with the war on terrorism where our stated enemy is al quaeda, it's not clownish to profile foreign Muslims entering the country. It's clownish to not consider that al queada members are most likely to be Muslim.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I think where you may be mistaken is on what is the actual conservative position on many of these issues.
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first you need to specify what type of conservative are you talking about. a fiscal conservative? a social conservative? a constitution conservative?
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah those sucking on the public teat didn't have much use for Romney
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So nearly 66 million people suckle on the public teat. Care to cite your sources? Oh, and make sure your source only includes Obama voters. Thanks.
johndylan1 said:
OK the bet was clownish, but I think in context with the war on terrorism where our stated enemy is al quaeda, it's not clownish to profile foreign Muslims entering the country. It's clownish to not consider that al queada members are most likely to be Muslim.
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But it is clownish to suggest we should be racially profiling due to religion or appearance, because a relatively small minority do evil. I think Ron Paul's immediate response to Santorum's comment, where he mentioned Timothy McVeigh, illustrated that.
trfjr said:
first you need to specify what type of conservative are you talking about. a fiscal conservative? a social conservative? a constitution conservative?
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I believe that job would actually fall to you, since you were the one alleging anyone I'd consider voting for could not be a conservative.
 
Juanita said:
He was also too nice and neither brash nor loud enough.
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He should have had his daughters out working for him more. that's one place he had an advantage

they are hot!

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I have nothing in particular against Mr. Huntsman. As long as you are neither a socialist ("progressive", "liberal-in-the-American-sense", whatever) or a "social conservative" (pretty much the same thing, they just operate with different cultural symbols), I am perfectly willing to give you a sporting chance. But...what exactly does Huntsman have that, say, Chris Christie lacks?
 
Its horribly sad how many Republicans/Conservatives are so deeply attached to their bitterness and hatred that they allow themselves to be so easily manipulated and blindly led by Liberals and the Media to ignorantly and foolishly base their views of a person not on his record or his views but on what liberals/the media says about him, making comments about how he must be a 'RINO" if someone like that says a good word about him. Ignorant, foolish, pathetic, and weak willed.

The fact that a few liberals, themselves horribly ignorant, suggest favor for a man who...

signed and helped support consumer focused market driven health care reform, who had a good 2nd amendment record as governor and drew positive comments from the NRA, who helped to institute a flat tax and passed historic tax cuts in his state, who took the stance Sean Hannity continually parroted in 2007 of "Secure the Border first" with regards to immigration on the federal level, who reduced state spending as a percent of GDP, who helped raise his state to top 3 in the nation for starting a business through business friendly legislation, and who is a pro-life...

and that magically makes individuals on the right so lacking the desire to actually use their brain and make an actual reasoned decision go "OMG!!!! RINO!!!!"
 
johndylan1 said:
Santorum and Romney didn't come off as clowns, except as edited for the purpose of making them look that way.
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Santorum and Bachman were the worst...? Too much religion in their politics...
 
Cyrylek said:
I have nothing in particular against Mr. Huntsman. As long as you are neither a socialist ("progressive", "liberal-in-the-American-sense", whatever) or a "social conservative" (pretty much the same thing, they just operate with different cultural symbols), I am perfectly willing to give you a sporting chance. But...what exactly does Huntsman have that, say, Chris Christie lacks?
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A lot of foreign policy experience. Strong support for the 2nd Amendment. He's less of a social conservative.
 
TurtleDude said:
well here is the problem

far lefties like him and a "slightly conservative" poster is his biggest fan

Hmmmm
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Apparently you blacked out for all of 2012....because while Anagram is a big fan, I'd dare say I'm still the longest tenure and loudest huntsman evangelist here.
 
-In a 2008 evaluation of state governors' fiscal policies, the libertarian Cato Institute praised Huntsman's conservative tax policies, ranking him in a tie for fifth place on overall fiscal policy.

-Huntsman claimed that "our tax code has devolved into a maze of special-interest carve-outs, loopholes and temporary provisions that cost taxpayers more than $400 billion a year to comply with." The candidate called for "[getting] rid of all tax expenditures, all loopholes, all deductions, all subsidies. Use that to lower rates across the board. And do it on a revenue-neutral basis."

-Huntsman has proposed reducing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%, eliminating corporate taxes on income earned overseas, and implementing a tax holiday for repatriation of corporate profits. He favors eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends

-Huntsman has proposed reducing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%, eliminating corporate taxes on income earned overseas, and implementing a tax holiday for repatriation of corporate profits. He favors eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends

-He has actually taken a more conservative stance than his opponents on Medicare, telling ABC News in May that he would have voted for the controversial budget plan proposed by U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., which would have completely privatized Medicare so that the government didn't have to pay for any of it.

-Like every other candidate in the 2012 Republican race, Huntsman wants to repeal President Barack Obama's unconstitutional and unaffordable health care law.

-Brought his state to the top 3 in best states to do business in.

Does all that really sound like a Democrat to you?

Jon Huntsman, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the references there.

Jon Huntsman 2012: What Are His Positions?
 
trfjr said:
And Anna Nicole Smith married for love
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She may have, but not for the love of the man. Did Jackie marry Onassis for love? Who knows? :shock:

Good evening, trfjr. :2wave:
 
John Huntsman came across as one of the more competent members of the field in 2012. Unfortunately the right-wing media was backing Romney.
 
ernst barkmann said:
will the person you vote for in 2016...work to reduce the size and scope of the federal government?..or will he just continue on with the large intrusive government we have now and build on it?
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Like Homeland Security?
 
Anagram said:
-In a 2008 evaluation of state governors' fiscal policies, the libertarian Cato Institute praised Huntsman's conservative tax policies, ranking him in a tie for fifth place on overall fiscal policy.

-Huntsman claimed that "our tax code has devolved into a maze of special-interest carve-outs, loopholes and temporary provisions that cost taxpayers more than $400 billion a year to comply with." The candidate called for "[getting] rid of all tax expenditures, all loopholes, all deductions, all subsidies. Use that to lower rates across the board. And do it on a revenue-neutral basis."

-Huntsman has proposed reducing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%, eliminating corporate taxes on income earned overseas, and implementing a tax holiday for repatriation of corporate profits. He favors eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends

-Huntsman has proposed reducing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%, eliminating corporate taxes on income earned overseas, and implementing a tax holiday for repatriation of corporate profits. He favors eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends

-He has actually taken a more conservative stance than his opponents on Medicare, telling ABC News in May that he would have voted for the controversial budget plan proposed by U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., which would have completely privatized Medicare so that the government didn't have to pay for any of it.

-Like every other candidate in the 2012 Republican race, Huntsman wants to repeal President Barack Obama's unconstitutional and unaffordable health care law.

-Brought his state to the top 3 in best states to do business in.

Does all that really sound like a Democrat to you?

Jon Huntsman, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the references there.

Jon Huntsman 2012: What Are His Positions?
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being for tax reform doesn't make you a conservative it is just one in a 100 issues in the conservative party he fails on the other 99 of them
 
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