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Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

Should NFL be required to pay Federal taxes?

  • Yes (explain)

    Votes: 35 76.1%

  • No (explain)

    Votes: 6 13.0%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 5 10.9%
  • Total voters
    46
rathi said:
Actually I know exactly what I am talking about. The American Dairy Association exists to serve the entire dairy industry, which meets the requirements for a non profit. NFL does not promote the entire industry, they are interested in their own brand. The IRS guidelines are clear about the qualifications for can be considered a business league and the NFL doesn't meet it.
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the NFL also has rules that look out for college football, high school football, etc. It functions very much like the ADA.

you are just making things up as you go.

here is an article discussing money the nfl spends to assist children, making your previous claims a load of crap.

http://www.lancastereaglegazette.co...TS/308270029/NFL-gets-heads-up-youth-football
 
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ARealConservative said:
rathi said:
Actually I know exactly what I am talking about. The American Dairy Association exists to serve the entire dairy industry, which meets the requirements for a non profit. NFL does not promote the entire industry, they are interested in their own brand. The IRS guidelines are clear about the qualifications for can be considered a business league and the NFL doesn't meet it.
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the NFL also has rules that look out for college football, high school football, etc. It functions very much like the ADA.

you are just making things up as you go.

here is an article discussing money the nfl spends to assist children, making your previous claims a load of crap.

http://www.lancastereaglegazette.co...TS/308270029/NFL-gets-heads-up-youth-football
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No, not really. If a new professional football league starts up... as has happened in the past... the NFL would not support them, even if the new league wanted them to... as has also happened in the past. Individual teams cannot simply start and gain acceptance into the NFL. The NFL is closed and exclusive. Any help they give high schools and college is because it helps them also.

If a new dairy starts up, the dairy association would be open to supporting the new dairy.

Note: Professional football mergers of the past were the result of economic necessity, not some grand noble acceptance on the NFL's part. The NFL still tried to drive each and every entity out of business first.
 
radcen said:
No, not really. If a new professional football league starts up... as has happened in the past... the NFL would not support them, even if the new league wanted them to... as has also happened in the past. Individual teams cannot simply start and gain acceptance into the NFL. The NFL is closed and exclusive. Any help they give high schools and college is because it helps them also.
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Of course everything they do is designed to help professional football.

In the infamous USFL vs NFL lawsuit, the NFL was not found guilty of attempting to harm the USFL, they were found guilty of being a monopoly though.

If a new dairy starts up, the dairy association would be open to supporting the new dairy.
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If a new pro league starts up, it is aided by all the money the NFL spends on children’s athletics.
 
ARealConservative said:
Of course everything they do is designed to help professional football.

In the infamous USFL vs NFL lawsuit, the NFL was not found guilty of attempting to harm the USFL, they were found guilty of being a monopoly though.
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Not professional football in an inclusive sense, *their* professional football.


ARealConservative said:
If a new pro league starts up, it is aided by all the money the NFL spends on children’s athletics.
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Did you actually keep a straight face when typing that?

I nominate that sentence for Stretch of the Day. Seriously, your point would have been much stronger had you just left that last sentence out.
 
ARealConservative said:
the NFL also has rules that look out for college football, high school football, etc. It functions very much like the ADA.

you are just making things up as you go.

here is an article discussing money the nfl spends to assist children, making your previous claims a load of crap.

http://www.lancastereaglegazette.co...TS/308270029/NFL-gets-heads-up-youth-football
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Meaningless token gestures count for nothing. If the NFL was truly a trade organization, they would have put their full support behind the XFL for instance.
 
rathi said:
Meaningless token gestures count for nothing. If the NFL was truly a trade organization, they would have put their full support behind the XFL for instance.
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you making **** up as you go counts for less.

The Nebraska State Dairy Association could care less about milk production in in Iowa. It doesn't seek to improve Iowa Dairy farmers, but gets the same tax exempt status you claimed can't happen. stop pretending to know things you don't know.
 
ARealConservative said:
you making **** up as you go counts for less.

The Nebraska State Dairy Association could care less about milk production in in Iowa. It doesn't seek to improve Iowa Dairy farmers, but gets the same tax exempt status you claimed can't happen. stop pretending to know things you don't know.
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If a new dairy opens in Nebraska, they'd be welcome in the Nebraska State Dairy Association.

If a new football team forms on its own in Los Angeles, and signs players, the NFL wouldn't even consider letting them join.
 
It's amazing that some people will ignore all reason, legality, logic and even obvious facts to perpetuate a narrative that they have committed themselves to.

That it occurs over such a stupid bait scam is amusing.

It's 9b untaxed!
Ok, it's 200m untaxed!
They should pay taxes on dues even if they do not make a profit!

It's like it doesn't matter that someone has gone from claiming 9b to claiming 200m, or that they've been shown that the org is non-profit. Nor that they've been shown that all income for the org is dues from members. Heck, nothing matters. They will continue forward, like mindless orcs, excited by the smell of easy tax dollars.

Here's what I think happened: Some guys lost their girlfriends to dudes who were into the NFL. Now, they're committed to hate the NFL despite all reason and facts. Sure, they claim they hate the NFL because sports are stupid, but there's something personal going on. There must be, to explain this idiocy.


And here's the best part: this happens about every 2-3 years. The "NFL pays no taxes" trolling boat glides by and moron tunas bite with all they've got.
 
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radcen said:
If a new dairy opens in Nebraska, they'd be welcome in the Nebraska State Dairy Association.

If a new football team forms on its own in Los Angeles, and signs players, the NFL wouldn't even consider letting them join.
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If a dairy farm opens up ion Iowa, the Nebraska State Dairy Association won't let it join.
 
ARealConservative said:
If a dairy farm opens up ion Iowa, the Nebraska State Dairy Association won't let it join.
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Yeah, so? A church in Chicago won't be able to help people in Montana, either. You accuse the other guy of making up ridiculous stuff, yet here you are doing exactly the same thing. Pot, kettle, black.
 
radcen said:
Yeah, so? A church in Chicago won't be able to help people in Montana, either. You accuse the other guy of making up ridiculous stuff, yet here you are doing exactly the same thing. Pot, kettle, black.
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so it violates his bull**** claim

catering exclusively to the business needs of specific for profit organizations is not something a non-profit organization is allowed to do.

you can be nonprofit, and work exclusively for a state, or a type of cow, or a type of animal, or a type of game with specific types of rules. he made up nonsense, and was called on it.

not sure what you are doing
 
ARealConservative said:
so it violates his bull**** claim

catering exclusively to the business needs of specific for profit organizations is not something a non-profit organization is allowed to do.

you can be nonprofit, and work exclusively for a state, or a type of cow, or a type of animal, or a type of game with specific types of rules. he made up nonsense, and was called on it.

not sure what you are doing
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You seem to be saying that geography makes a difference. :shrug:
 
radcen said:
You seem to be saying that geography makes a difference. :shrug:
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or the type of animal, or anything else a non profit want to cater to.

he made up rules that don't exist, and you are here doing what?
 
ARealConservative said:
or the type of animal, or anything else a non profit want to cater to.

he made up rules that don't exist, and you are here doing what?
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Arguing with someone who seemingly has no point or purpose, apparently. Carry on. I'll leave you two to get a room.
 
radcen said:
Arguing with someone who seemingly has no point or purpose, apparently. Carry on. I'll leave you two to get a room.
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my point is pretty clear, in that I am arguing with someone over false statements they make.
 
ARealConservative said:
you making **** up as you go counts for less.

The Nebraska State Dairy Association could care less about milk production in in Iowa. It doesn't seek to improve Iowa Dairy farmers, but gets the same tax exempt status you claimed can't happen. stop pretending to know things you don't know.
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If the NFL stood for the Nebraska Football league, that analogy might be correct, unfortunately it actually means "national". The XFL was another national organization that operated in the same geographic locations as the NFL. The NFL has a tax exemption based on their claim they are business league for the national football industry, when in practice they promote their profit seeking brand alone.
 
roguenuke said:
Then perhaps it is just the NFL that should be looked at. Honestly though, if you are claiming non-profit status or working for a non-profit, you should not expect to be paid high dollars, no matter how much someone may say they need you. It is wrong to believe otherwise. If these execs are making more than most for-profit firms, then the place really isn't non-profit at all, but rather for the profit of those in the top positions.
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Maybe because the employees of a non-profit are not non-profit, but the organization is. You keep insisting that a non-profit is some angelic organization. Well, they aren't, they like money just like the rest. Just look at any non-profit university. You have to have your tuition paid before the start of classes but if you drop. they have 8 weeks to refund your money.
 
rathi said:
If the NFL stood for the Nebraska Football league, that analogy might be correct, unfortunately it actually means "national". The XFL was another national organization that operated in the same geographic locations as the NFL. The NFL has a tax exemption based on their claim they are business league for the national football industry, when in practice they promote their profit seeking brand alone.
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the name of the organization does not determine what the organization can do. your replies get more and more pathetic.

so long as it remains non profit, it could be called the ggg for all the law cares.
 
ARealConservative said:
the name of the organization does not determine what the organization can do. your replies get more and more pathetic.

so long as it remains non profit, it could be called the ggg for all the law cares.
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Are you seriously going to pretend that NFL is not a national organization? You really want to claim they rejected the XFL because of geographic reasons? The XFl and NFL both had teams operating in the city of San Francisco, making that argument garbage.
 
rathi said:
Are you seriously going to pretend that NFL is not a national organization? You really want to claim they rejected the XFL because of geographic reasons? The XFl and NFL both had teams operating in the city of San Francisco, making that argument garbage.
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careful, you might get a hernia trying to drag such a heavy goal post.

catering exclusively to the business needs of specific for profit organizations is not something a non-profit organization is allowed to do.

you own this piece of idiocy. I already showed real world examples of non profit organizations catering exclusively to business based on several different types of criteria. your lies were exposed
 
If you tax the NFL, even though all of the teams in the NFL already DO pay taxes, they would just pass the cost onto the consumers and advertisers via price increases, so it really wouldn't matter to them, but costs to the consumer for tickets (already outrageously priced), merchandise and advertisers' products would rise.
 
ARealConservative said:
careful, you might get a hernia trying to drag such a heavy goal post.

catering exclusively to the business needs of specific for profit organizations is not something a non-profit organization is allowed to do.

you own this piece of idiocy. I already showed real world examples of non profit organizations catering exclusively to business based on several different types of criteria. your lies were exposed
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You haven't proved squat. My statement was a "specific for profit organizations". The NFL caters only to one specific brand of football. Serving a limited geographic region is not the same thing as serving a specific brand or corporation.
 
The Man said:
If you tax the NFL, even though all of the teams in the NFL already DO pay taxes, they would just pass the cost onto the consumers and advertisers via price increases, so it really wouldn't matter to them, but costs to the consumer for tickets (already outrageously priced), merchandise and advertisers' products would rise.
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Given the amount of profit that the NFL (as a whole, league and teams) makes, this isn't a significant point. They could easily absorb the costs of what would probably be a small-ish tax, if they wanted to or had to, and never skip a beat. Or, as you say, they could pass the cost to ticket and merchandise buyers... and they'd pay it.

Right now, balancing 'supply-and-demand' isn't something the NFL struggles with. The NFL is in the enviable position of being a purely 'demand' product, which is why tickets are outrageously priced.
 
rathi said:
You haven't proved squat. My statement was a "specific for profit organizations". The NFL caters only to one specific brand of football. Serving a limited geographic region is not the same thing as serving a specific brand or corporation.
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yes, specific., Like how they specify the state, or the type of animal, etc, etc. These are all specifications.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Maybe because the employees of a non-profit are not non-profit, but the organization is. You keep insisting that a non-profit is some angelic organization. Well, they aren't, they like money just like the rest. Just look at any non-profit university. You have to have your tuition paid before the start of classes but if you drop. they have 8 weeks to refund your money.
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Then those who are are truly just like small businesses with no share holders, which should not be considered non-profits. The employees are simply seeing the profits as their own salaries or reinvesting those profits for bigger salaries in the future. It still profits them.
 
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