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Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    Votes: 44 49.4%

  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    Votes: 18 20.2%

  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    Votes: 19 21.3%

  • I Don't Know.

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Total voters
    89
Korimyr the Rat said:
Thus placing a man's life under the sole authority of a woman's decisions.
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You are confusing rights of medical decisions over another person and personal responsibility for your actions again.

A woman does not have control over a man's medical decisions.
 
I have questions.

If a woman wants to adopt out the baby and the father states "no, I want to raise the child"

#1 Will the child be given to the father?

#2 Will the mother have to pay child support?



Just so my position is clear, I think it is fine for the father to take custody and to have the mom pay child support. That is fair.
 
year2late said:
I have the right to control my body. A man cannot control what happens to my body. What is so difficult about that?

If a man does not want to be a father and pay child support - he needs to get a vasectomy or wear a high quality condom properly each and every time. And of course know that if those methods fail, he is still on the hook (although if the vasectomy was botched, he might be able to sue, I guess)
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Nothing. But a man choosing what he does with his OWN life and body and resources is not about YOUR body.

You are arguing that you have the right to control someone else's body. And you're using the same argument to justify it that anti-choicers use to justify denying you the right to your own.
 
year2late said:
I have questions.

If a woman wants to adopt out the baby and the father states "no, I want to raise the child"

#1 Will the child be given to the father?

#2 Will the mother have to pay child support?

Just so my position is clear, I think it is fine for the father to take custody and to have the mom pay child support. That is fair.
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1. Sure.

2. Not if she doesn't want to, and signs over all her rights like an adoption.

At least that's how it should be.
 
year2late said:
I have questions.

If a woman wants to adopt out the baby and the father states "no, I want to raise the child"

#1 Will the child be given to the father?
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If the State knows who the father is, yes. Which, unless the mother is married to the man, is also solely at her discretion.

year2late said:
#2 Will the mother have to pay child support?
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Yes, if the State awards it.

year2late said:
Just so my position is clear, I think it is fine for the father to take custody and to have the mom pay child support. That is fair.
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I don't think that's fair, either-- fair to the woman who chose not to become a parent.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
1. Sure.

2. Not if she doesn't want to, and signs over all her rights like an adoption.

At least that's how it should be.
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So you are saying that if a man takes custody of his child, the woman is not required to pay child support???
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
No, I am not. Bottom line, I am asking that women have control over their own bodies, and only their own bodies, while men have the same authority, only over their own lives. You are the one fighting for a system that gives one person undue control over another person's life.

If you want to protect the fairness and justice in your own life, you shouldn't oppose fairness and justice in others' lives.
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The law is not supposed to create fairness in people's lives. It is only supposed to treat people fairly under the law.
 
sangha said:
Because the child was created as a result of a decision the father made
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the child was created as a result of a decision they BOTH made..... why should only one of them get a choice?
 
OscarB63 said:
the child was created as a result of a decision they BOTH made..... why should only one of them get a choice?
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Well, they could rip out the zygote...cut it in half...and the man can throw his side in trash...and the woman could reimplant her half...
 
year2late said:
So you are saying that if a man takes custody of his child, the woman is not required to pay child support???
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I am not saying that is how it is. I am saying that is how it ought to be, IF she relinquishes her parental rights, which is what is being discussed for men here.

If she simply becomes the non-custodial parent, then child support should still be an option for the custodial parent.
 
year2late said:
I have the right to control my body. A man cannot control what happens to my body. What is so difficult about that?
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That has nothing to do with the topic. If he pays child support or not has no effect on your right to control your body.
 
sangha said:
The law is not supposed to create fairness in people's lives. It is only supposed to treat people fairly under the law.
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Exactly. And the current child support paradigm does not do this.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Why in the hell should anybody have to pay for decisions that someone else made? Answer that question. When a woman gets pregnant, she has all of the options-- as it should be-- but why then are other people responsible for her choices? A man does not have a say in whether or nor not she bears the child. (As it should be.) A man does not have a say in whether or not she keeps the child. (As it should be.) So after she has chosen to bear the child, and she has chosen to keep the child, both without any input or authority on his part... why then, and only then, is he suddenly "equally responsible"?

You deflect with parodies of pro-life misogynistic arguments, but nobody is willing to answer that simple question.
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So are you saying then that after the child is born she can deny him any and all contact and parental rights of the child, whether he likes it or not and whether he is willing to pay or not? Do you then extend her total-control to0 after the child is born and at any time thereafter can tell the father to kiss-off and never come around her and the child again?
 
joko104 said:
So are you saying then that after the child is born she can deny him any and all contact and parental rights of the child, whether he likes it or not and whether he is willing to pay or not? Do you then extend her total-control to0 after the child is born and at any time thereafter can tell the father to kiss-off and never come around her and the child again?
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After the child is born, yes. After the child is claimed by him, no. I do not consider DNA to be morally relevant; he does not become a father until she offers him the child and he accepts. His willingness to pay child support does not entitle him to claim the child against her will, as he did not produce the child.
 
OscarB63 said:
the child was created as a result of a decision they BOTH made..... why should only one of them get a choice?
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For the same reason some people get the choice of what color their new Porsche should be, and others do not.
 
sangha said:
Both parents are required to support their children

The law treats both men and women equally
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nope. a woman doesn't support her children, the govt gives her a welfare check and foodstamps. a man doesn't support his children, the govt puts him in jail.
 
OscarB63 said:
nope. a woman doesn't support her children, the govt gives her a welfare check and foodstamps. a man doesn't support his children, the govt puts him in jail.
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A woman is required to support her children. If she doesn't, the govt puts her in jail
 
sangha said:
A woman is required to support her children. If she doesn't, the govt puts her in jail
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yeah right. I've been around and worked with DHR long enough to know that if a woman doesn't support her children, the worst that happens to her is DHR takes her kids and puts them in foster care. meanwhile, she still gets to collect her welfare check and food stamps, even though she is no longer providing for the kids.
 
sangha said:
Both parents are required to support their children
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A woman's children are the children she chooses to have. A man's children are the children a woman has chosen to have for him.

How is that equal?
 
Let me ask a question, then, for all you people who argue a man should be responsible for the children he created: if a father and a mother are getting divorced, and the issue of paternity comes up, should the man be exempted from child support for children that a DNA tests concludes are not related to him by blood? Let's say he's been raising them for years and the issue of paternity never came up before the divorce.
 
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