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So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

How is "Smart Power" working out for the United States?

  • Smart Power has made incredible foreign policy gains for us

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Smart Power helped us "reset" relations with Russia et al.

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Smart Power works, but turned out to be Bush Doctrine Lite

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • We are so screwed that we now lose no matter WHAT we do

    Votes: 17 81.0%
  • Total voters
    21
Gimmesometruth said:
I suppose if one completely forgets
2001-2008, where having "dumb" people execute "dumb" policies which
has caused directly and indirectly much of the instability in the Middle East today.....then one could incorrectly define "Smart Power" and whine about the situation in the ME.

What depth of understanding and vision!
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Oh FFS, is it THAT difficult for you to be objective and not blame EVERYTHING on Bush.

Face it, morons outnumbered the voters with brains in 2008 and 2012, and now we're reaping the " benefits".

When Bush left office all you people had was the false narratives about Iraq's WMDs.

Now, the ME is a mess, with a amatuer at the helm.

When will you folks learn ?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Nothing wrong with education but it is only one part of a resume to be pres not the end all be all.
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Then stop degrading education. Being intelligent isn't a bad thing.

As for resumes, we might start asking what is the requirements for the job? There really isn't that type of process in our political system where we lay out qualifications and read resumes. besides, it's also true that any person can meet a resume and still not be able to the job, and someone else can not meet a state requirement and be excellent at the job. This is not an exact science.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Is that what is being called for?
A: No it isn't, so you have created a straw man.
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It's precisely what Obama expected, so if a straw man has been created, you can thank him for it. Did he, or did he not say that he didn't create the red line - that the world did? He did. Just yesterday.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
This still makes no sense, "ProgLibs" never ignored the absolute disaster of the Bush Doctrine .....nor are those whining about the reintroduction of "Smart Power" claiming the "ProgLibs" are ignoring its application.

You make no sense on multiple levels.
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I'm sorry. It's not my intent. It's apparent I can't reach down to your level of understanding.

Please forgive me.
 
ocean515 said:
I'm sorry. It's not my intent. It's apparent I can't reach down to your level of understanding.

Please forgive me.
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Just for the record, as he's not a 7th grader, I'd rather that statement be walked back than to act irresponsibly and take reckless action.
 
WWIII is right round the corner kiddies
button up and get ready
 
I never argue with a straw men, just set them ablaze
 
ocean515 said:
I'm sorry. It's not my intent. It's apparent I can't reach down to your level of understanding.

Please forgive me.
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You would have a point...if you showed my "misunderstanding"....but you didn't....instead you fell back to your comfortable SOP, diversion, insult and obfuscation.
As I said, this is getting predictable.
 
NoC_T said:
Were that true, Obama could never have been elected.
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There's that. We like to hear good things, though. A good salesman or politician can get many to bite. Swallowing is another story. I've done a lot of structural engineering over the years. It's possible to hide structural deficiencies for a time, but they will always make themselves apparent eventually. It's just a matter of time.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You would have a point...if you showed my "misunderstanding"....but you didn't....instead you fell back to your comfortable SOP, diversion, insult and obfuscation.
As I said, this is getting predictable.
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Yes, the exchages do seem predictable. Why do you think that is?
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, the exchages do seem predictable. Why do you think that is?
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Probably an extension of you misunderstanding the term "macro" when I used it, so you thought the best way to counter my argument was to reply with nonsensical posts that included insults....you know, SOP.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
He expected you to create a straw argument? really?
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Obama made his military strike announcement before he had any of our allies on board. Obama moved destroyers into the Med expecting others to join up. None have. Bonehead created his own problem, and now he's blaming the world for it. No strawman there. Just rank incompetence.
 
Smart power....rebranding the old carrot stick common wisdom as being some new visionary thinking of a new era in global thinking. Funny stuff. Golly gee, you mean it often requires carrots AND sticks? Is this going to be on the test? You sure it's not just sticks? I like sticks, and you know, carrots not everyone likes. Hmm, I kept thinking it was a ****ing exclusive OR!
 
humbolt said:
Obama made his military strike announcement before he had any of our allies on board. Obama moved destroyers into the Med expecting others to join up. None have. Bonehead created his own problem, and now he's blaming the world for it. No strawman there. Just rank incompetence.
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It is funny how some talk about "boneheads" when they create strawmen about what the POTUS has said.

Any debate should address fact, not false conjecture. None in the WH called for " blow the living hell out of Syria". False rhetoric is for idiots.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Probably an extension of you misunderstanding the term "macro" when I used it, so you thought the best way to counter my argument was to reply with nonsensical posts that included insults....you know, SOP.
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No, that's not it. Can you think of any other reason?

I realize you've refered to me as ignorant, salty, and I muddy the water, make no sense, as well as many other names and accusations, but I'm struggling with the reason you claim the exchanges are predictable and SOP.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
It is funny how some talk about "boneheads" when they create strawmen about what the POTUS has said.

Any debate should address fact, not false conjecture. None in the WH called for " blow the living hell out of Syria". False rhetoric is for idiots.
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Take it up with Obama. He's the one blaming the world for not joining him. Did you miss the news conference yesterday, or are you happy to ignore it. I'll tell ya, McCain, who's just dying to blow something up most of the time, was not in favor of "limited strikes" at the outset. Following a closed briefing on Tuesday, McCain came out saying he's on board because the president "is going big". He's even added a little more to the authorization coming out of committee in the Senate - about tilting the balance on the battlefield toward the rebels. Assad was winning. It'll take more than a pinprick to change that.
 
yeah wow hummy you should only watch the State propaganda organs otherwise you might get an improper image
of our dear leader and an IRS audit :tongue4:
 
AngryOldGuy said:
like everything else he's done for the past five years, sadly we all look silly right along with him?
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As another poster pointed out, "we" did elect the bonehead. Bonehead has a certain ring to it - like talking into an empty steel trash can.
 
That summoned images of beating the daylights out of that trashcan with an aluminum baseball bat
 
ocean515 said:
No, that's not it. Can you think of any other reason?
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Yeah, i think that is it...you admitted as much.

I realize you've refered (sic) to me as ignorant,
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Oh gawd, like you have not done the same in nearly every exchange between us, hypocrite much?
salty,
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Ocean...gee you are sensitive
and I muddy the water
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A reference to clouding the discussion IS NOT a personal insult, FFS!
make no sense,
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Your arguments do not...AND I EXPLAINED WHY THEY DO NOT...and that is not a personal insult, live with it.
as well as many other names and accusations, but I'm struggling with the reason you claim the exchanges are predictable and SOP.
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Um, it is your "Standard operating procedure" in our debates.....was that really hard to understand?
 
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