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Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

Has obama made America look weak and become a joke

  • Yes, the whole world is laughing

    Votes: 20 51.3%

  • No, this has made America look strong not weak

    Votes: 19 48.7%
  • Total voters
    39
Ray410 said:
Very naive post. If America is perceived as weak, the world's predators begin to probe, jabs to see how far they can go, how much they can get away with, stuff that never makes the radar of a Liberal MSM, events that happen entirely in foreign countries. Notice how much more Russia is flexing it's muscles since Obama betrayed Poland with the withdrawal of the promised missile defense.

Others, internally, begin to betray a disrespected Obama and their country by leaks.

Obama is the wrong person in the wrong place and the consequences are enormous for the United States.

In other arenas, Americans don't care what the world thinks, but when it comes to fear and disrespect, that is vital.
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Yeah, you're right, I'm naive. I'm not the one in this particular debate that has actually been to all the crap hole countries we are talking about and seen how people over there perceive us. People in the Arab world don't care about what doesn't affect them personally. They are vastly different people than we are. When someone in, for instance, the Diyala Province in Iraq hear about a car bomb killing 20 in Anbar Province, it's no big deal to them. For us, when we hear that someone bombed the Boston Marathon, we all unite behind the cause. When we build a water well between two villages in Afghanistan, no one uses it. Why? Because one village has to own one and the other has to own another. They can't share due to years of family strife. We, on the other hand, would share a well for the good of the community. The average citizen from most of these countries only knows what they've seen on Al Jazeera. Middle Eastern governments do not have a perception of us other than being the big bully that they can occasionally bait into fighting a battle for them so they can continue to reap oil rewards. We aren't that big of a deal over there despite popular opinion.
The thing is, you can't prove your THEORY
that the world's predators begin to probe
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. I, however, can prove the fact that when we don't meddle in the Middle East, we have no issues. Before we started meddling in Iran's affairs in the 70's, we had no issue with the Middle East. But we couldn't leave well enough alone. Now, look where it got us. This belief that they must just hate us is true, however, it isn't because they are so jealous of us. It's because we feel the need to put our nose in their business every chance we get. There are definitely some hard line Muslims who hate America. Not because they hate the idea of us. They hate us because we've bombed the crap out of them for years. Because we've taken out many leaders that they endorsed. Because we feel like we should force democracy down their throat.
 
The dude thought.....probably upon the advice of his military advisors....that his "red line" comment would be effective.....and it was also politically expedient. Yes......the President is a politician.

It was not effective. And those same advisors have given the dude some more advice. Fortunately, the mistake was not something that committed US to years of bull**** in another ME nation.

Horrible, isn't it?!
 
LoneLaugher said:
The dude thought.....probably upon the advice of his military advisors....that his "red line" comment would be effective.....and it was also politically expedient. Yes......the President is a politician.

It was not effective. And those same advisors have given the dude some more advice. Fortunately, the mistake was not something that committed US to years of bull**** in another ME nation.

Horrible, isn't it?!
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One thing I agree with, we have a "dude" for president, don't try to blame the military for his red line quote though.
 
disneydude said:
Its refreshing to see a President that isn't a cowboy and understands the proper steps that should be taken. We know what happened the last time a couple of people decided to go attack a country....we are still paying for that one today.
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you mean like Kennedy and Vietnam?
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Who does he blame his stupidity on?

Are you saying that the man isn't responsible for the decisions he makes....or doesn't make?

Fill me in on what you meant, if you would.
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Have YOU ever made a mistake?
 
LoneLaugher said:
The dude thought.....probably upon the advice of his military advisors....that his "red line" comment would be effective.....and it was also politically expedient. Yes......the President is a politician.

It was not effective. And those same advisors have given the dude some more advice. Fortunately, the mistake was not something that committed US to years of bull**** in another ME nation.

Horrible, isn't it?!
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I love these passive attitudes towards our current POTUS asking to start a war. I'm sure Bush didn't get the same treatment even though he did the exact same thing. Of course, you guys think that shooting a few cruise missiles and maybe dropping a bomb or two will work great. Kinda like it did in Libya. Oh yeah, they overthrew our embassy and killed the ambassador. Or, how about like when Clinton was dropping cruise missiles on every Muslim he could find? Oh yeah, they got tired of it and flew a plane into the WTC. Or how about let's try a limited invasion of special troops so as not to cause too big a stir but to get the point across like Clinton did? Oh yeah, Somalia didn't work out that great. It's all or nothing guys with nothing being the preferred method. Leave these people to themselves. No country will ever value democracy when they don't shed their own blood for it. The rebels over there are not broken. The Arab states around them have not stretched themselves thin yet. There are still many measures the Syrian resistance could take before they need the "Zionist's" to come over.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Because one village has to own one and the other has to own another. They can't share due to years of family strife. We, on the other hand, would share a well for the good of the community.
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Not everywhere is like that is it? I mean I could perhaps relate to some families in the outer suburbs whom are at feuds with one another behaving like that. But you say all are blood feuding hill billies?
 
disneydude said:
LOL....we already had one President who called himself "The decider" who didn't understand the role of the President. Tough talk an stupidity only get you so far. Thank God we have a President who understands and who is restoring honor and integrity to the whitehouse.
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Actually, this current president EPITOMIZES "tough talk and stupidity".

As in, hey...Mr "red line"...what happened back in march? Who was that nabbed with Sarin in June? Who exactly are you in bed with in Syria? With your 'red line' shattered, what exactly is your 'response'? WHy did you run around acting like a badass, right up until the UK bailed on you?

no...Obama isnt 'wise'. He doesnt understand honor and integrity. He is a loudmouth douchebag. He is a miserable failed 'leader'. He is praying for someone to bail him out of the corner he has painted himself into. Luckily though, no matter what Obama does, he will always have those who blindly support him at all cost.

Hows that transparency thing working out for you? You a big fan of Bush's policies...you know...all the ones Obama is still following or expanding? Loving the drones? Loving the Patriot Act and the expansion of the NSA?

Stay classy, DD...
 
I disagree with the premise that lobbing a couple of cruise missiles makes the US look "strong".

That's BS neocon validation for constant military action. Nobody thought the US was "strong" under Bush. They saw the US as over extended.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I love these passive attitudes towards our current POTUS asking to start a war. I'm sure Bush didn't get the same treatment even though he did the exact same thing. Of course, you guys think that shooting a few cruise missiles and maybe dropping a bomb or two will work great. Kinda like it did in Libya. Oh yeah, they overthrew our embassy and killed the ambassador. Or, how about like when Clinton was dropping cruise missiles on every Muslim he could find? Oh yeah, they got tired of it and flew a plane into the WTC. Or how about let's try a limited invasion of special troops so as not to cause too big a stir but to get the point across like Clinton did? Oh yeah, Somalia didn't work out that great. It's all or nothing guys with nothing being the preferred method. Leave these people to themselves. No country will ever value democracy when they don't shed their own blood for it. The rebels over there are not broken. The Arab states around them have not stretched themselves thin yet. There are still many measures the Syrian resistance could take before they need the "Zionist's" to come over.
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I'm against any military intervention in Syria.

Want to amend your comments?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
First Obama declares a red line in Syria. Then Syria launches a very small chemical attack to test him and Obama ignores it. When they saw Obama was bluffing they launched this recent attack that may have killed thousands and Obama says that's it, here I come. He looks for support from NATO and gets the cold shoulder so he looks to the UK and they say , not interested. Obama then rattles his saber and says he can and will do it alone and Kerry comes along and gives the impression the missiles are just about on the way. Then Obama says never mind, I think I'll take this to congress when they get back from recess, no worry, no hurry. Now the pro gov forces in Syria are dancing in the streets and Iran is ramping up its nuke program and laughing at America, nice work Obama.
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Where is neither, this is just another hyperbolic hate piece option?
 
Well, I've been saying plenty of times.
Syria and Iraq may look both as same dirty jobs but at least Bush didn't make the world to laugh at him (he took everyone with him). He was criticized a lot but no one dared to laugh at him, not even Russia.

Obama is so another picture.
 
Coin said:
Well, I've been saying plenty of times.
Syria and Iraq may look both as same dirty jobs but at least Bush didn't make the world to laugh at him (he took everyone with him). He was criticized a lot but no one dared to laugh at him, not even Russia.

Obama is so another picture.
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Well said. You have a way with words.

But.....you are so completely and unquestionably wrong....that a course correction is "so another picture".

The world's citizens not only laughed at W........they scorned him. And....Iraq and Syria look NOTHING like each other.
 
Coin said:
Well, I've been saying plenty of times.
Syria and Iraq may look both as same dirty jobs but at least Bush didn't make the world to laugh at him (he took everyone with him). He was criticized a lot but no one dared to laugh at him, not even Russia.

Obama is so another picture.
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Did you look at what the world said about him? Seriously?
 
Boo Radley said:
Did you look at what the world said about him? Seriously?
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That everyone laughed at him.
I was just saying that in same cases, no one dared to laugh at Bush.
But with Obama was so easy and so funny.

- In case i was misunderstood for my English. :peace
 
Coin said:
That everyone laughed at him.
I was just saying that in same cases, no one dared to laugh at Bush.
But with Obama was so easy and so funny.

- In case i was misunderstood for my English. :peace
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Bush didn't scare anyone, other than maybe being so incompetent as to be dangerous. ;)
 
Uh...yeah...Obama's going to do something.

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Boo Radley said:
And they're doing something now? :roll:
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Kinda looks like it, huh?
 
Boo Radley said:
Bush didn't scare anyone, other than maybe being so incompetent as to be dangerous. ;)
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yeah.

Anyway my point was. Bush could take 50 countries with him, meanwhile Obama has only France by now. No one is following him (not even americans want to).
 
Canell said:
No!

Actually, kudos to Obama for asking Congress and not acting like an emperor, like some other US presidents.
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Maybe you could name the other presidents for us, because I know for a fact that other recent presidents had resolutions with huge support authorizing force. The most recent former president even had a resolution from the UN Security council with 100% support. Does Obama have UN support? Which resolution is that btw?
 
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