some are born with a self destruct mechanism which can be almost insurmountable at times. the creative, tempestuous personality is especially vulnerable. all i will say is that i have a lot of empathy, and i think that it's absolutely a mistake. understanding this doesn't completely solve the problem, but it's insight that needs to be applied during all dark nights of the soul.
No to suicide. I'd prefer to find some noble cause faced with overwhelming odds and little hope of success and get killed that way, if life became unbearable.
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The one thing every human on the planet should be in charge of is their own body, their own life, their own choices. It is not for us to judge when, why and how life has become utterly unbearable for someone else. Shaming them by warning them how their loved ones will suffer is particularly cruel. All of us WILL die, and when we do our loved ones WILL suffer. Will they suffer less if we die slowly, over a period of months, slowly suffocating as our lungs give out, or crying in agony as cancer consumes us, or so awash in despair after decades of hopelessness and mental ravagement over which they have no control? They can grieve now, or they can grieve later... when they grieve should be my choice, not theirs.
It infuriates me when people flippantly toss out the word "coward" to describe an anguish they personally have never endured, and could never, ever understand. How dare you judge someone else's pain, someone else's life? You are not in their skin, not in their mind, don't suffer their agony. You cannot know what they live with, and what's worse, you obviously don't even care. Just shrug, call them cowards, and feel like you are their moral and mortal superior.
Until some day it is you who is dying by inches, suffering beyond your wildest imagination, and some cold, self-righteous ass looks you in the eye, calls you a coward for wanting the agony to end, calls you selfish for not thinking of those you leave behind, stares at you as if you are nothing more than a piece of meat that has no right to make decisions for itself.
In answer to the poll, yeah, I've obviously thought a lot about suicide, because I for one will not spend my final months strapped to a respirator, gasping, waiting for the breath to finally stop, and the torture to finally end. It will not end that way for me. I will choose when, how, and where, and I will do so while I still have dignity. To those who call me a coward, may you never end up as I and so many others will... until then, **** you and your self-absorbed, ignorant hubris.
If some suicidal people use their condition to make everyone either feel bad or give in to their demands then a plain ruthless "I do not give a damn" may do the trick. That is all I am saying.
Any suicidal person with difficult nights can PM me. We can talk about it.
Refer them to the nearest mental health agency. It's not up to you or any other lay person to figure out whether to tell then you don't give a damn or to save then via private messages.
The mere expression of suicidality means the person is definitely not totally serious, and possibly not at all serious. Whatever the case my be, refer them to an in-person mental health professional.
Yes, those were my intentions if they were serious. I cannot handle a serious suicidal person nor would I want to. I would have became a therapist if I could bare such pressure.
There isn't much pressure, surprisingly. Therapists are required to petition for involuntary psychiatric hospitalization if they're convinced a patient is serious. When this petition is granted, the local police will typically do the dirty work of detaining a person to bring them in for involuntary treatment. It sucks, but when the alternative is death with a possible negligence lawsuit from bereaved/pissed/greedy family to boot, the procedure is pretty easy to justify and can happen somewhat smoothly in many communities.
That's your other option, by the way. If you know the person's whereabouts and can contact local law enforcement, ask for a welfare/safety check on the person. They'll swing by and bring the person in if it seems like there's an imminent mental health concern, or leave the person alone if there appears to not be. Then your liability is covered and due diligence was applied.
But hey, I have learnt living with that paranoia.
A lecturer once told me that suicide is made so as to either make everyone else feel bad about influencing (or not doing enough to stop) suicide, or to manipulate and gain something out of it dramatically. So though your empathy is nice you could be manipulated into being asked for things more than what you could deliver.
not a funny topic but a reality of this life
Cowardice.
not a funny topic but a reality of this life
you can vote freely ,l didnt click " make vote public ":mrgreen:
There isn't much pressure, surprisingly. Therapists are required to petition for involuntary psychiatric hospitalization if they're convinced a patient is serious. When this petition is granted, the local police will typically do the dirty work of detaining a person to bring them in for involuntary treatment. It sucks, but when the alternative is death with a possible negligence lawsuit from bereaved/pissed/greedy family to boot, the procedure is pretty easy to justify and can happen somewhat smoothly in many communities.
That's your other option, by the way. If you know the person's whereabouts and can contact local law enforcement, ask for a welfare/safety check on the person. They'll swing by and bring the person in if it seems like there's an imminent mental health concern, or leave the person alone if there appears to not be. Then your liability is covered and due diligence was applied.
Cowardice.
Medusa, if this is not just a conversational topic, and something you are considering, I hope you get help. This isn't something to take lightly. I give you alot of **** on this board, but I certainly wouldn't want you to do anything silly.
Never tried, never will. People who commit suicide are cowards (outside of those suffering from painful and/or debilitating diseases).
Cowardice.
I do not believe lizzie would be offended by my post. If you were personally offended, I apologize... but I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
I see it as an immediate ticket to hell.
That is the primary reason that, although I have been extremely depressed, I controlled the urge to end it all.