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Jesse Ventura 2016 Debates

Peter King said:
And Obama's mother was an American and Obama was born in the USA. That is something that Ted Cruz who was born in Canada and Daddy Romney was born in Mexico. Those are the facts. They might have been born outside the USA but for the law they are natural born Americans and I agree with that. Just like Obama is a natural born American.

My response was just to show how hypocritical your comment was about how Democrats are the ones who prefer candidates with more than one nationality.
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Barack Obama's father was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya. Under "The Law of Nations" which the Fourteenth Amendment is based upon or was until 2008, "Son follows the condition of his father."

Barack Obama was a native born American citizen, not a "natural born citizen."

Barack Obama was also a "Red Diaper Baby." His father was a Marxist and his mother may or may not been a communist but no one argues that she wasn't a communist sympathizer.

Barack Obama also didn't always consider himself as an American. In his book, "Dreams From My Father" in Obama's own words, "I never looked upon myself as being an American but as an internationalist."
 
APACHERAT said:
Jesse Ventura is a wannabe Mexican who is seeking Mexican citizenship.

Jesse Ventura is a shoe in as a Democrat Presidential candidate. Democrats prefer their candidates to have more than one citizenship. Look at Obama, besides being a "Red Diaper Baby" he was a British subject, a citizen of Kenya, a possible citizen of Indonesia and also an American citizen but in Obama's book, "Dreams From My Father" Obama said "I never looked upon himself as an American but as a internationalist."
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Not worthy of comment , this diatribe is pure unadulterated male bovine excrement.
So "out" that its "in".
Mad magazine from the previous century.
 
chromium said:
I know why they do it, but what is the logic behind allowing a dozen candidates on stage for the primary, but only 2 for the presidential debate? More choice and dialogue is what democracy is about, or so i thought.
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But there is a danger in allowing "democracy" to run amuck...ask Egypt...
Also, successful democracy requires an intelligent educated people.
Do we have this ?
 
mak2 said:
He was in the best movie of all time.
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This must be said with tongue in cheek.
The best movies were made before Jesse was even born.
However, Ventura's famous statement : " I don't have the time to bleed"....they way in which he said it...he did have ability as an actor....Sir Ronald was also a B actor...
 
Peter King said:
Really comedic. FYI, who had a Panamanian born presidential candidate? Who is planning on Cruz, born in Canada to be on the primary ballot? The latest republican candidate may have been born in the USA but from a foreign born father. Romney's daddy campaigned to become the republican candidate in 68 even though he was born in Mexico. Barry Goldwater was born in New Mexico when it was not even a US state.
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So what...
Our first dozen or so Presidents were not even born in the USA.....and for this crime....no excuse !
This is so silly, I'll make it sillier.
 
stonesfever said:
Should Jesse Ventura be allowed in the 2016 Presidential Debates if he runs for President?
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earthworm said:
But there is a danger in allowing "democracy" to run amuck...ask Egypt...
Also, successful democracy requires an intelligent educated people.
Do we have this
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Well we do have about 300 million people in the USA and some of them claim to be educated.

How intelligent they are is open to question.
 
earthworm said:
So what...
Our first dozen or so Presidents were not even born in the USA.....and for this crime....no excuse !
This is so silly, I'll make it sillier.
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You sir are a perfect example of the dumbing down of America.

Please list those dozen of Presidents who weren't born in the colonies.

Is this more of liberal revisionism ? Did the Pilgrims just arrive to America in 1776 ?

Except for a few, every person who signed the Declaration of Independence was born in America.
 
earthworm said:
But there is a danger in allowing "democracy" to run amuck...ask Egypt...
Also, successful democracy requires an intelligent educated people.
Do we have this ?
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We most definitely do not. I'm only mocking those who put on pious airs about our 'democracy.'
 
APACHERAT said:
Barack Obama's father was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya. Under "The Law of Nations" which the Fourteenth Amendment is based upon or was until 2008, "Son follows the condition of his father."

Barack Obama was a native born American citizen, not a "natural born citizen."

Barack Obama was also a "Red Diaper Baby." His father was a Marxist and his mother may or may not been a communist but no one argues that she wasn't a communist sympathizer.

Barack Obama also didn't always consider himself as an American. In his book, "Dreams From My Father" in Obama's own words, "I never looked upon myself as being an American but as an internationalist."
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So what, who cares where Obama's father was born or what nationality he had. And I do not know what the law of nations has to do with it, but the 14th Amendment does not have anything to say about natural born citizens. Or comments about fathers or sons.

Obama is a natural born citizen, he was born in the USA (US territory) and was born to an American mother.

Red diaper baby? Obama was not raised by his Kenyan father, according to his book Barack only had one month of an actual relationship with his father when he was 10. Being born to someone does not make a person a "red diaper baby". His father had nothing to do with how Obama was raised. And his mother was working on micro financing in which poor people get small loans to become their own boss/start their own companies which does not comply with communism at all.

And how he felt, growing up in foreign countries, does not change the fact that he was and is a natural born American.
 
shrubnose said:
Well we do have about 300 million people in the USA and some of them claim to be educated.

How intelligent they are is open to question.
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The indicator for voter intelligence will rear its ugly head when we see who people try to bring into high offices over the next couple of major elections.

For instance: Rand Paul, the apparent Tea Party favorite just publicly praised Syria's Assad for fighting to save "the Christians". Who will vote for Rand?

Need I say more?
 
APACHERAT said:
There will always be those who get free stuff and then claim that he was the best.

And what real credibility do the voters in Minnesota really have ? Didn't they elect a clown to represent them in the Senate ?
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How much credibility do the voters of California have after electing Ahhhhnold and Sonny Bono?
 
Peter King said:
So what, who cares where Obama's father was born or what nationality he had. And I do not know what the law of nations has to do with it, but the 14th Amendment does not have anything to say about natural born citizens. Or comments about fathers or sons.

Obama is a natural born citizen, he was born in the USA (US territory) and was born to an American mother.

Red diaper baby? Obama was not raised by his Kenyan father, according to his book Barack only had one month of an actual relationship with his father when he was 10. Being born to someone does not make a person a "red diaper baby". His father had nothing to do with how Obama was raised. And his mother was working on micro financing in which poor people get small loans to become their own boss/start their own companies which does not comply with communism at all.

And how he felt, growing up in foreign countries, does not change the fact that he was and is a natural born American.
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Vattel's "The Law of Nations" Influence on U.S. Founders & Constitution's Framers:

Vattel's Influence on U.S. Founders & Constitution's Framers | Scribd



212. Citizens and natives.
>"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."<


215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
>"It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also."<

Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I
 
stonesfever said:
Should Jesse Ventura be allowed in the 2016 Presidential Debates if he runs for President?
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earthworm said:
But there is a danger in allowing "democracy" to run amuck...ask Egypt...
Also, successful democracy requires an intelligent educated people.
Do we have this ?
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Removable Mind said:
The indicator for voter intelligence will rear its ugly head when we see who people try to bring into high offices over the next couple of major elections.

For instance: Rand Paul, the apparent Tea Party favorite just publicly praised Syria's Assad for fighting to save "the Christians".
Who will vote for Rand?
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Need I say more?
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I believe that most of the people who follow this forum have a pretty good idea where Rand Paul is coming from.
He will have the support of a lot of far right evangelicals, the Ayn Rand groupies and some other wackos.

The only way that he will ever see the inside of the White House is as a visitor.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
rocket88 said:
How much credibility do the voters of California have after electing Ahhhhnold and Sonny Bono?
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Most conservatives in California voted for McClintock for Governor not Arnold. It was Democrats who put Arnold in Sacramento.

Sonny Bono was elected as a Congressman. He ran on his record as the mayor of Palm Springs.
Sonny was a pretty good Congressman and also accomplished a lot for those living in his Congressional District.
 
APACHERAT said:
Vattel's "The Law of Nations" Influence on U.S. Founders & Constitution's Framers:

Vattel's Influence on U.S. Founders & Constitution's Framers | Scribd



212. Citizens and natives.
>"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."<


215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
>"It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also."<

Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I
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I am sorry, but who actually cares about what the Law of Nations said? The only thing that the 14th Amendment says is:
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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That is the only thing the 14th amendment says. And FYI, we are no longer living in the American revolutionary period, women have the same rights as men and stipulations that only the father is the one who gives through rights are totally out of date.
 
APACHERAT said:
Most conservatives in California voted for McClintock for Governor not Arnold. It was Democrats who put Arnold in Sacramento.

Sonny Bono was elected as a Congressman. He ran on his record as the mayor of Palm Springs.
Sonny was a pretty good Congressman and also accomplished a lot for those living in his Congressional District.
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Actually, Sonny Bono was a decent Congressman, but when it comes to electing entertainers, California is #1.
 
stonesfever said:
Should Jesse Ventura be allowed in the 2016 Presidential Debates if he runs for President?
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Why not. It might be entertaining...besides if he gets confused or riled up he can always out-wrestle and lay some smack-down on the other debators. That'll win the debate right? ;)
 
Yes, it was tongue in cheek, but I did really like the movie.
earthworm said:
This must be said with tongue in cheek.
The best movies were made before Jesse was even born.
However, Ventura's famous statement : " I don't have the time to bleed"....they way in which he said it...he did have ability as an actor....Sir Ronald was also a B actor...
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