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Repeal obamacare completely

REPEAL OBAMACARE

  • Repeal within 2 years. Repeal Medicare also.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Repeal it and Medicare in whatever time it takes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep the individual mandate. Repeal the rest and medicare also.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep Obamacare, but NO care for non-citizens.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    48
Whereja hear that?

I've yet to hear anyone put forth a number that represents the savings the entire system will experience once there are no longer unpaid bills.
Especially from the hospital side.

I have another for you too.
I had a $14,500 dollar surgery. But I was first billed $108,000 before my insurance negotiated the price down.
Now... if I had no insurance, $108.000.00 is what I would have owed.
When I did not pay, they would have written off the 108 thousand on their taxes.
Multiply that scenario times millions of cases and that is what is happening everywhere around the Nation.
Hospitals are faking their books. Not paying taxes. Showing loss on paper and money in their pocket.
There will also be a sudden and rather large tax revenue coming from hospitals once they no longer show these fake losses.
Hospitals will show the profit and then have to reduce their prices substantially, while also paying more taxes.
 
Your country is being bankrupted already, by military spending.
"The 2012 budget is 6–7 times larger than the $106 billion military budget of China, and is more than the next twenty largest military spenders combined."
Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BUT WE NEED OUR WEAPONS! What if we want to invade and occupy a country and can't because we don't have enough weapons? What then? (BTW, where are you from? But be careful ... we may invade you next.)
 
NO, I am talking about our healthcare system since at least the 60's. We have always had to pay for those that dont. It just suddenly started bothering the RWers. I wonder why.

What is a RWer?
 
I've yet to hear anyone put forth a number that represents the savings the entire system will experience once there are no longer unpaid bills.
Especially from the hospital side.

I have another for you too.
I had a $14,500 dollar surgery. But I was first billed $108,000 before my insurance negotiated the price down.
Now... if I had no insurance, $108.000.00 is what I would have owed.
When I did not pay, they would have written off the 108 thousand on their taxes.
Multiply that scenario times millions of cases and that is what is happening everywhere around the Nation.
Hospitals are faking their books. Not paying taxes. Showing loss on paper and money in their pocket.
There will also be a sudden and rather large tax revenue coming from hospitals once they no longer show these fake losses.
Hospitals will show the profit and then have to reduce their prices substantially, while also paying more taxes.

What surgery was this?
 
BUT WE NEED OUR WEAPONS! What if we want to invade and occupy a country and can't because we don't have enough weapons? What then? (BTW, where are you from? But be careful ... we may invade you next.)

Hint- You already invaded us once, but it didn't turn out so well.
Seriously, US military spending is WAY over what's needed to maintain the number 1 position. You outspent the USSR into oblivion, won the cold war, it's time to knock it back some notches before you outspend yourselves into oblivion.
 
RW-would that be Red Wing, Rogue wing, rong wing, righteous wing, rand wing, rank wing, rare wing,
 
Hint- You already invaded us once, but it didn't turn out so well.
Seriously, US military spending is WAY over what's needed to maintain the number 1 position. You outspent the USSR into oblivion, won the cold war, it's time to knock it back some notches before you outspend yourselves into oblivion.

but the Repub House wants to spend more than the Joint Chiefs asked for--Cantor called the Joint Chiefs "liars"--Repubes have hungry congressional districts back home that need fed with multi-billion dollar toys we don't need and that we will eventually destroy
 
RW-would that be Red Wing, Rogue wing, rong wing, righteous wing, rand wing, rank wing, rare wing,

Lol! I wonder which one it was.
 
Okay next question how do you know the insurance company negotiated that far down?

The bill shows exactly what was billed.
Exactly what was paid by insurance.
And then it shows exactly what we still owed. Zero.
Whole thing cost us $250 bucks, which we paid up front, prior to billing.
 
The bill shows exactly what was billed.
Exactly what was paid by insurance.
And then it shows exactly what we still owed. Zero.
Whole thing cost us $250 bucks, which we paid up front, prior to billing.

HMM my hospital bills are not quite so clear. I do know one of my blood test costs around 768 a pop every three months the other costs 75 every month. My defibrillator cost about 115k and these are what are paid. Thank goodness I have insurence
 
HMM my hospital bills are not quite so clear. I do know one of my blood test costs around 768 a pop every three months the other costs 75 every month. My defibrillator cost about 115k and these are what are paid. Thank goodness I have insurence
Yeah, i lived 18 years without it. Had pre-existing conditions and also am self employed which makes it hard to get.
Now I have some of the best insurance you can get.
Ended up not needing it, but was about to have a throat biopsy. Don't know what insurance would of ended up paying out of the $13,000 I was told it costs. But I know my share was 25 bucks.
You certainly can't get these type of procedures or the check ups that come first... at the emergency room.

Since I have received far more from insurance than I have paid in, I guess that means lots of people in this forum think I should be dead. And wish death upon me. Without the combination of Obama care and good insurance I would be obliging them in a couple years once my cancer metastasized.
 
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Yeah, i lived 18 years without it. Had pre-existing conditions and also am self employed which makes it hard to get.
Now I have some of the best insurance you can get.
Ended up not needing it, but was about to have a throat biopsy. Don't know what insurance would of ended up paying out of the $13,000 I was told it costs. But I know my share was 25 bucks.
You certainly can't get these type of procedures or the check ups that come first... at the emergency room.

I'm kinda in a unusual situation. I go to a heart transplant center. The rules I think kinda change there.
 
I'm kinda in a unusual situation. I go to a heart transplant center. The rules I think kinda change there.

Well, whatever side your on, I wish you all the best and am glad you had insurance.
 
Well, whatever side your on, I wish you all the best and am glad you had insurance.

Right back at ya. Fortunately I have found my way back to being a tax paying citizen and I give most of the credit to Social Security as well as my family.
 
Hint- You already invaded us once, but it didn't turn out so well.
Seriously, US military spending is WAY over what's needed to maintain the number 1 position. You outspent the USSR into oblivion, won the cold war, it's time to knock it back some notches before you outspend yourselves into oblivion.


"The United States spends 58 percent of the total defense dollars paid out by the world's top 10 military powers, which combined for $1.19 trillion in military funding in 2011. With its unparalleled global reach, the US outspends China, the next-biggest military power, by nearly 6-to-1."

if we cut back dramatically, would it help or hurt the economy?
 
Repeal Obama care and with respect to Medicare reform it.
 
I've yet to hear anyone put forth a number that represents the savings the entire system will experience once there are no longer unpaid bills.
Especially from the hospital side.

I have another for you too.
I had a $14,500 dollar surgery. But I was first billed $108,000 before my insurance negotiated the price down.
Now... if I had no insurance, $108.000.00 is what I would have owed.
When I did not pay, they would have written off the 108 thousand on their taxes.
Multiply that scenario times millions of cases and that is what is happening everywhere around the Nation.
Hospitals are faking their books. Not paying taxes. Showing loss on paper and money in their pocket.
There will also be a sudden and rather large tax revenue coming from hospitals once they no longer show these fake losses.
Hospitals will show the profit and then have to reduce their prices substantially, while also paying more taxes.
CBO and JCT now
estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA
will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period

The key word there is "net".

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage Estimates.pdf

OK, so now we've gone from $176 billion/year to $108 billion/year. $108 billion is still almost 2x more than the repeal of the Bush tax cuts on the top bracket. They account for ~$55 billion/year if (a big if) they have no effect on the income of those people.

CBO | Budget Infographic - Revenues
 
Repeal Obama care and with respect to Medicare reform it.

As ACA gets closer and closer to kicking in completely, the GOP is getting more and more nervous that it may become very popular despite their attempts to lie about it ... it's not going to get repealed, but it will be interesting to watch what happens when it is in full force ...
 
Forget trying to repeal the ACA
The house has voted 40 times to repeal and is just wasting the taxpayers money.
It is not going to be repealed.
Earlier this month, the US House voted for a record 40th time to repeal the Affordable Care Act
<SNIP>

A report from CBS news found that each Obamacare repeal vote costs taxpayers $1.45 million. So all 40 Obamacare repeal votes have cost American taxpayers a grand total of $54 million.
BOR: Obamacare Repeal: Sillier and More Expensive Every Time

A government shut down will not defund ACA.

The tax subsidies to purchase health insurance, for example, are considered mandatory funds.
“Therefore, the funds for such credits would continue to be available via permanent appropriation during a government shutdown,
” CRS [Congressional Research Service] concludes.
While the IRS hasn’t gamed out the exact situation, the researchers believe “it may be likely that at least some of the eligibility and processing functions associated with payment of this credit might continue during a government shutdown.”

- See more at:
http://healthblog.ncpa.org/why-the-republicans-cant-de-fund-obamacare/

Defunding the ACA is NOT an option:

[SIZE=3}Defunding Health Care Isn’t Really an Option, Either,[/SIZE]

The Wonk Room’s Igor Volsky explains. Boehner and Newt Gingrich have come out in favor of this option, but “that may be easier said than done. As former Senator Tom Daschle explained in a recent interview, ‘a lot of what we did in health care reform has more of an entitlement than a discretionary funding base.
So as an entitlement, they would really have to change the law rather than simply not fund in order for it to be effected.

The entitlement sections of the legislation are going to be fairly immune from defunding.[/B]

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Why Republicans Can
 
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