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Appalling Discrimination against atheist?

What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

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sawyerloggingon said:
I did in another post that I thought you would read so I didn't feel the need to repeat myself. post #95
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yeah i read that, it didnt answer the question either so ill ask you again will you explain how in the world "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"
 
AGENT J said:
yeah i read that, it didnt answer the question either so ill ask you again will you explain how in the world "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"
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Haven't you heard, your threads over, the premise was bogus from the start. Those laws are not enforced and have been declared illegal. Next time do some better research before you start a worthless thread.
 
Grand Mal said:
That's a good question. Why have a constitution, I mean. In Canada our constitution is a pretty recent development and I've been against it since it was proposed. My rights were well protected by British Common Law, which has evolved over centuries according to the changes in society, and will continue to change and evolve as needed, unlike constitutions which cause nothing but problems.
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i think constitutions are great in idea and concept but they could be good or bad depending on whats in them, enforcement, ability to change and or amend.

When a constitution establishes the basics i think they are awesome especially in a "free" country.
 
sbrettt said:
This actually doesn't surprise me. Although I really doubt anyone would have the audacity to try and enforce these laws. Besides, I think these laws will be gone when my generation (millennial) becomes the majority of voters and gets old enough to run for office. A lot more of us are atheist/agnostic (they are different) and the ones that are religious are a lot more accepting of people who aren't IMO.
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I agree just still surprised they ever existed. I like the idea someone else had that all laws etc should be reviewed every 25 years or so.
 
WCH said:
1.)To be able to practice my religion or lack there of, without interference from the government. The government must remain neutral. (barring practices that may violate certain laws)
2.) How many current Atheist to you believe had some sort of religious upbringing? Just wondering where they received guidelines for their morality? It's not something you are born with.
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1.) this is way to general and unrealistic, your last part is the tricky part thats why i wanted examples. SO if you could please be more specific with your examples, why would an atheist be more likely to infringe on your protected rights? they are going to follow the law so your rights seem just as safe to me as with any other candidate, why wouldnt they be.

2.) have no clue, i know lots of people that didnt have what id call a "religious" upbringing though and they have plenty of morals. Right and wrong usually comes from upbringing, life experiences and environment.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Haven't you heard, your threads over, the premise was bogus from the start. Those laws are not enforced and have been declared illegal. Next time do some better research before you start a worthless thread.
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nope my thread is still going strong and i myself mentioned them not being enforced and or nobody willing to enforce or try them in the OP and in the thread. nice try but its a fail. maybe YOU should pay more attention.

now man up and answer the question, deflecting wont help you hide your failed baseless inane statement.

ill ask you again will you explain how in the world "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights", why dont you have an answer, simply defend this statement or show some integrity and just admit you misspoke and its false. THis is funny.
 
AGENT J said:
nope my thread is still going strong and i myself mentioned them not being enforced and or nobody willing to enforce or try them in the OP and in the thread. nice try but its a fail. maybe YOU should pay more attention.

now man up and answer the question, deflecting wont help you hide your failed baseless inane statement.

ill ask you again will you explain how in the world "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights", why dont you have an answer, simply defend this statement or show some integrity and just admit you misspoke and its false. THis is funny.
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You said in the OP you would love to see somebody try to enforce it. The fact is it has been decided and is settled law and can't be enforced so your thread IMO was pointless. As for my answer you so desperately want, I told you which post I answered it in, if you don't like my answer fine but I answered, now run along.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
As I said earlier some groups have specific legal protection, as far as I know atheist don't.
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Unless Congress makes a law establishing a religion, neither do Christians, Jews, or Muslims.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
1.) you said in the OP you would love to see somebody try to enforce it. The fact is it has been decided and is settled law and can't be enforced so your thread IMO was pointless.
2.) As for my answer you so desperately want, I told you which post I answered it in, if you don't like my answer fine but I answered, now run along.
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1.) really? can you show me these facts? show me these "facts" in law where its been decided that it cant be enforced, ill wait for the links to the 8 states that show this "fact". you love making stuff up dont you just like your failed statement.
2.) yes you told me and it doesn't answer anything at all it was a deflection. Not desperate just proving the point your statement is false and you cant defend it. You are desperate NOT to answer it.

here it is, the question is how in the world does "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights" your reply is below
sawyerloggingon said:
It would take away the rights of people in bible belt states to have politicians run that state that share their values. It would be like forcing people in SF to have Rush Limbaugh as mayor.:lol: But you know that brings up a good point, Rush would never get elected in SF and an atheist would never get elected in a bible belt state so the point is moot and the thread is pointless.
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there is nothing in your post that answers that question, NOTHING.

so basically the translation of the post above is this: you are going to continue to dodge and not answer the question cause you cant.

its ok we knew your statement was completely false already

let us know when you are ready to answer or admit your statement was false

in case you forgot ill ask again how in the world does "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"
wonder if you will dodge or actually answer
 
AGENT J said:
1.) really? can you show me these facts? show me these "facts" in law where its been decided that it cant be enforced, ill wait for the links to the 8 states that show this "fact". you love making stuff up dont you just like your failed statement.
2.) yes you told me and it doesn't answer anything at all it was a deflection. Not desperate just proving the point your statement is false and you cant defend it. You are desperate NOT to answer it.

here it is, the question is how in the world does "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights" your reply is below


there is nothing in your post that answers that question, NOTHING.

so basically the translation of the post above is this: you are going to continue to dodge and not answer the question cause you cant.

its ok we knew your statement was completely false already

let us know when you are ready to answer or admit your statement was false

in case you forgot ill ask again how in the world does "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"
wonder if you will dodge or actually answer
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Go back and read your own damn thread. The court case and decision has been posted. Now as I said, run along son, ya bother me. I changed that WC field quote a bit, I don't want you crying racist on me.:lol:
 
AGENT J said:
I agree just still surprised they ever existed. I like the idea someone else had that all laws etc should be reviewed every 25 years or so.
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I like that one. Put an expiration date on laws as they are passed, like they do on salad dressing. When you find a bottle of salad dressing in your refrigerator marked "best if used by 2/2/95", you know it's not wasteful to throw it out.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I like that one. Put an expiration date on laws as they are passed, like they do on salad dressing. When you find a bottle of salad dressing in your refrigerator marked "best if used by 2/2/95", you know it's not wasteful to throw it out.
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LOL thats funny

well IMO i wouldnt want it automatically thrown out but you should definitely take the cap off and smell it ;)
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Go back and read your own damn thread. The court case and decision has been posted. Now as I said, run along son, ya bother me. I changed that WC field quote a bit, I don't want you crying racist on me.:lol:
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translation: you are still dodging and cant answer any questions.

thats what i thought, keep trying and keep failing

in case you forgot ill ask again how in the world does "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"
keep dodging and running away its funny.
 
AGENT J said:
LOL thats funny

well IMO i wouldnt want it automatically thrown out but you should definitely take the cap off and smell it ;)
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I'm not so sure I'd even want to smell 18 year old salad dressing, but it's high time we took the cap off of some of the old laws and smelled them.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
. Next time do some better research before you start a worthless thread.
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The person who has posted countless absolutely moronic, fake polls that were nothing more than extreme partisan jabs at Obama is calling somebody else's thread worthless?

oh my :doh
 
Gardener said:
The person who has posted countless absolutely moronic, fake polls that were nothing more than extreme partisan jabs at Obama is calling somebody else's thread worthless?

oh my :doh
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shhhhhhhhh he thinks his posts are fooling people
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Just thought I'd check in on my lunch break, told ya it was over.:lol:
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it was over as soon as you made that inane, retarded 100% false statement

i just want to see if you are uneducated enough about this topic to double down on it and try to defend it
run away from it and dodge it like you have been doing
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simply man up, show integrity and admit you were wrong/made a mistake

we are waiting, how in the world does "giving atheist rights takes away religious peoples rights"


my money is on run away and dodge again
 
AGENT J said:
I agree just still surprised they ever existed. I like the idea someone else had that all laws etc should be reviewed every 25 years or so.
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I agree. We have way too many silly laws on the books. Just look my thread about silly laws. There are some excellent examples there. Lol
 
AGENT J said:
Now I’m not an atheist myself and I know many atheists that do believe in religion just don’t think anybody has it right but discrimination is discrimination and it amazed me that these things below are actually in state constitutions. I just learned this in another thread.
The constitutions of these seven US states ban atheists from holding public office:

Arkansas:
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."[81]

Maryland:
"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution.”[82]

Mississippi:
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."[83]

North Carolina:
"The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."[84]

South Carolina:
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."[85]

Tennessee:
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."[86]

Texas:
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."[87]

An eighth state constitution discriminates against atheists by affording special protection to theists only.
Pennsylvania:
"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."[88]

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That’s appalling to me and the purest form of bigotry and discrimination IMO. SO I’m curious where you stand.
I’d love to see someone try to enforce this so it can be defeated and destroyed like it should, wonder if there are any recent cases of it.

What do you think of the laws banning atheist from some offices?

I’m against it
it violates the constitution and should be removed
it’s discrimination
it’s bigotry
it’s disgusting
I support this
it does NOT violate the constitution and should stand
it’s NOT discrimination
it’s NOT bigotry
it’s righteousness
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I would call this evidence of past discrimination. While these laws are on the books, simply challenging them would result in their nullification. As it should be.

Quote honestly I don't think we should waste time or energy on this. Just get some white out and fix the obvious unconstitutional law.
 
stonewall50 said:
I would call this evidence of past discrimination. While these laws are on the books, simply challenging them would result in their nullification. As it should be.

Quote honestly I don't think we should waste time or energy on this. Just get some white out and fix the obvious unconstitutional law.
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i partially agree, if theres been some ruling or referendum saying these laws just simply wont be enforced you are probably right why waste time.

but then again since the laws are so mentally insane you would think the process would be very easy to remove them as the vast majority would just agree.
 
I disagree with these state constitutions and laws, someone who is an atheist shouldn't have their philosophy barring them from a government office.

However, is atheism a religion and protected? The constitution guarantees religious freedom and atheism isn't a religion. By law it appears that a state can deny people the ability to hold an office if they are a person who is not willing to accept that God exists. It's a state's rights issue, but I think it's wrong. I'm against it, but I also don't think such a practice violates the current US Constitution unless atheism becomes a protected religion or classified as one.
 
digsbe said:
I disagree with these state constitutions and laws, someone who is an atheist shouldn't have their philosophy barring them from a government office.

However, is atheism a religion and protected? The constitution guarantees religious freedom and atheism isn't a religion. By law it appears that a state can deny people the ability to hold an office if they are a person who is not willing to accept that God exists. It's a state's rights issue, but I think it's wrong. I'm against it, but I also don't think such a practice violates the current US Constitution unless atheism becomes a protected religion or classified as one.
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Do you honestly believe that the constitution only protects people who believe in god? Seriously?
 
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