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Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

Welfare: Keep, Reform or End?

  • Keep it!

    Votes: 15 23.4%
  • Keep it, but it needs SEVERE reform.

    Votes: 33 51.6%
  • End it

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 10.9%

  • Total voters
    64
What a stupid thing to say. Everyone has incentive to achieve. It's part of being human. It's part of being alive. Poor people are not poor because of a lack of "incentive". They're poor because of a lack of resources to pursue their desires. And stripping them of what few resources they have isn't going to help anyone.

LOL where is the incentive for an individual to get a HS education? What is the specific incentive for doing so. You do realize that even of those who do get one that many are functionally illiterate...
 
There you go, how's this quote?

Here in Michigan, where the economy went into recession in 2000 and went steadily downhill until the national recession when we were one of the hardest hit states in the nation, I always found work. I own a very small landscaping business, but not big enough yet to support myself through the winter, so I've had to find a new job every winter, and every winter I have. I don't have a degree and am a landscaper, so you might imagine how my resume would look to a potential employer, especially assuming that I'll probably go back to landscaping in the spring.

Good Job Sir! I shall call you Quotemaster.

See, you already proved your abilities by operating your own business, however small. You had to get equipment, learn/know how to use it, advertise or approach clients etc. etc. If I were hiring, I'd be thrilled to get someone with ambition because that is a most valuable trait.

Unfortunately, like the notorious "boyfriend" of my tenant, some people can't find their ass using both hands. They are too "slow" to assemble a business, too untalented to find much work. We're going to have a tough time replacing that housing boom. Labor intensive assembly type manufacturing is disappearing. The fact is that the outsourcing will only grow in the endless quest for greater profits. Some people are going to be left behind and unless we have welfare, you'll see people starving in the streets.

Nobody "likes" welfare. And indeed there are some dishonest people who take advantage of this and I wish they would arrest them for fraud. But there are those who have no other choices, at least for now.

I have another tenant, 74 or 75 years old. She had a "career" opening credit card payment envelopes for Citibank here. They shut it down because so few pay by mail anymore. She has looked for work, and desperately needs it. The house she lives in I bought from her in a short sale and I rent it to her for $550 a month. She struggles to pay me - her SS check is around $900 - but she does pay my bargain priced rent. I rally don't resent any help she gets by way of Medicaid or food stamps. She means well, she's just outdated.
 
Good Job Sir! I shall call you Quotemaster.

See, you already proved your abilities by operating your own business, however small. You had to get equipment, learn/know how to use it, advertise or approach clients etc. etc. If I were hiring, I'd be thrilled to get someone with ambition because that is a most valuable trait.

Unfortunately, like the notorious "boyfriend" of my tenant, some people can't find their ass using both hands. They are too "slow" to assemble a business, too untalented to find much work. We're going to have a tough time replacing that housing boom. Labor intensive assembly type manufacturing is disappearing. The fact is that the outsourcing will only grow in the endless quest for greater profits. Some people are going to be left behind and unless we have welfare, you'll see people starving in the streets.

Nobody "likes" welfare. And indeed there are some dishonest people who take advantage of this and I wish they would arrest them for fraud. But there are those who have no other choices, at least for now.

I have another tenant, 74 or 75 years old. She had a "career" opening credit card payment envelopes for Citibank here. They shut it down because so few pay by mail anymore. She has looked for work, and desperately needs it. The house she lives in I bought from her in a short sale and I rent it to her for $550 a month. She struggles to pay me - her SS check is around $900 - but she does pay my bargain priced rent. I rally don't resent any help she gets by way of Medicaid or food stamps. She means well, she's just outdated.

What do you believe would happen to your examples if it weren't for welfare?
 
What do you believe would happen to your examples if it weren't for welfare?

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Could these pictures be used to describe the U.S. before welfare?

These pictures all look like they were taken in the welfare era.

I'm not sure. When did the "welfare era" begin? I have a theory about that but you might not like it. Anyway, I was just trying to answer the question of "what do I think would happen post-welfare". The answer, starvation and desperate crime.
 
I'm not sure. When did the "welfare era" begin? I have a theory about that but you might not like it. Anyway, I was just trying to answer the question of "what do I think would happen post-welfare". The answer, starvation and desperate crime.

Tough love is expected to be just that, tough...
 
Tough love is expected to be just that, tough...

I'm somewhat familiar with tough love after a year and a half of crisis counseling at The White Bird Clinic. But I'm not sure that it applies to everyone and everything.

Where's the "love" part?
 
I'm somewhat familiar with tough love after a year and a half of crisis counseling at The White Bird Clinic. But I'm not sure that it applies to everyone and everything.

Where's the "love" part?

Allowing others to achieve for themselves rather than continuing a dependence on a handout from government for their existence...
 
Allowing others to achieve for themselves rather than continuing a dependence on a handout from government for their existence...

What if achieving ends up meaning stealing? Certainly they'd be providing for their family.
 
I'm not sure. When did the "welfare era" begin? I have a theory about that but you might not like it. Anyway, I was just trying to answer the question of "what do I think would happen post-welfare". The answer, starvation and desperate crime.

I disagree that it would be starvation and desperate crime, and my example is the U.S. pre-welfare. Have you heard of widespread desperate crime and starvation before we had entitlements in this country?
 
What if achieving ends up meaning stealing? Certainly they'd be providing for their family.

I would have more respect for those that could pull it off than I do for those that choose to simply live on what is provided by the government as it shows some initiative...
 
I would have more respect for those that could pull it off than I do for those that choose to simply live on what is provided by the government as it shows some initiative...

What if they were stealing from you?
 
I disagree that it would be starvation and desperate crime, and my example is the U.S. pre-welfare. Have you heard of widespread desperate crime and starvation before we had entitlements in this country?

Sure I have.
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Is this acceptable?
 
Federal Welfare. Should we keep it the way it is, severely reform it or end it completely?

I would phase it out entirely. Since government welfare is implemented through the initiation of aggression*, I oppose it on ethical grounds and would thus advocate for its repeal.

* Violation of or damage to another person's body; or trespass, damage, or taking of something owned by another.
 
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It's unconstitutional. It should be eliminated completely.
 
You really want that to be our society? OK :roll:

Compared to what we have now? Yes. If we are not promoting ways to grow the individual and economy, then it will eventually become a free-for-all at some point in time anyway...
 
Are all of those of the Great Depression? If so, that was the beginning of big government social programs. One theory is that the Great Depression was prolonged much longer than it had to be because of all of the government interference, starting with Hoover and continuing with FDR.
If its so terrible, why has it remained for over 80 years now? We've had all sorts of different leaders during those 8 decades.

I guess my most burning question is why do you object to it?
 
Compared to what we have now? Yes. If we are not promoting ways to grow the individual and economy, then it will eventually become a free-for-all at some point in time anyway...

In what world can we not do both?
 
In what world can we not do both?

Today's in which everyone is more interested in what government gives them rather than what they contribute to the country/society...
 
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