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Has obama brought the races together[W:225]

has obama brought races together

  • no. obama made race relations worse

    Votes: 39 67.2%

  • yes, obama has united races as never before

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • obama has had no effect on race relations

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Total voters
    58
Re: Has obama brought the races together

ThePlayDrive said:
Well, there is the point. All of the issues I listed are racial issues. To remove race from the equation is to not acknowledge reality. And that you, a conservative, have the taken the position that race ought to be removed from the equation proves my point - that conservatives tend not to acknowledge the reality of racial issues. We've come full circle.
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No, they are issues that affect everyone regardless of race. You have no idea about my thinking other than what you make up in your own mind, but feel free to believe you do...
 
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shrubnose said:
We'll never get rid of racism or other prejudice if we don't talk about it.
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Truth. There are very few, if any problems, that have ever been solved by pretending they don't exist, particularly problems as big as racism and prejudice.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

iliveonramen said:
I'm not nor have I ever been a member of the Communist party...that's usually what you conservatives like to hear right?

In the book A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, published in 1913 by Israel Cohen of the Fabian Society (a follow-up to Zangwill's play The Melting Pot), he wrote:



That is a ****ing hoax dude. It was a letter to the editor of the Washington Star. The Washington Star later apologized and said it was printed without verifying it's authenticity. It's Congressional record because a follow up by the Star read by a Rep from NY shows no Israel Cohen existed, and there was never a book with that title. It was used by a southern Mississippi Rep in a debate against the Civil Rights Act. Claiming that Civil rights was a communist plot was a common tactic by southern racist during the era. I'm hoping you posted that in ignorance!
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Trouble is, it falls nearly directly inline with Obama and CPUSA platform.

CPUSA And Obama Platforms Are Identical | Sweetness & Light
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

WCH said:
Who put that in your mind? Academia, your parents?

I'm Conservative and don't believe in any of that. Nor do most people I know.
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I am asking you this in response to your post
The Left MUST turn everything to something racial to please their base.
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So no, I didn't get it from Academia or my parents. (Thanks for giving me credit for actually having a mind of my own BTW) I am asking you this because of your post. When you claim that the left makes everything racial you imply that it is only worthy of calling out if you agree that it is racist. So what is the magic signal we wait to confirm that something is worthy of calling out?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
No, they are issues that affect everyone regardless of race.
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Well, yes, the issues I listed do effect people of varying races and they are still racial issues as I have said. A "racial issue" refers to an issue that involves race not necessarily an issue that involves only one or two races so I'm not sure what you think you're contesting by writing the above. That said, conservatives tend do ignore most racial issues, mostly those that affect non-whites.

You have no idea about my thinking other than what you make up in your own mind, but feel free to believe you do...
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No need to get defensive. You've been sharing some of your thoughts with me in our conversation just as I have been sharing some of mine so we both have a clue as to each other's thoughts.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

iliveonramen said:
Yeah...that's why they wanted to change social security for everyone UNDER 50. Because their base which is dominated by those nearing retirement want to take care of themselves and are financially established.
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Actually, if you remember the statistics, it was the older people who were adamant against this because Democrats did a bang-up job at deluding the Boomers that it was going to impact them negatively - which is a blatant lie.

For my generation, privatization of the Washington Slush Fund - what you affectionately refer to as Social Security - would be a terrific thing. The ROI of FICA taxes is pitiful; you'd probably get a better interest rate overall by sticking that 6.2% in an interest-bearing savings account.

It was a big push by younger Republicans, and a few of the more fiscally wise Democrats of my generation.
 
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opendebate said:
I am asking you this in response to your post

So no, I didn't get it from Academia or my parents. (Thanks for giving me credit for actually having a mind of my own BTW) I am asking you this because of your post. When you claim that the left makes everything racial you imply that it is only worthy of calling out if you agree that it is racist. So what is the magic signal we wait to confirm that something is worthy of calling out?
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Well Grasshopper, that's something that growing older will help you recognize. At nearly 60 years, I've seen what you describe and know what real racism looks and sounds like. It's pretty obvious and it's not a component in every issue unless someone makes it so.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Well, yes, the issues I listed do effect people of varying races, but they are still racial issues. A "racial issue" refers to an issue that involves race not necessarily an issue that involves only one or two races so I'm not sure what you think you're contesting by writing the above. That said, conservatives tend do ignore most racial issues, mostly those that affect non-whites.
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It would have been better had you stopped here. These are not specifically issues of race but a symptom of our society and its so-called "leaders". Would you not prefer our economy be growing at such a pace that businesses would once again be competing for available labor resources? Where are the advocates for that without government printing more currency?
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
In another thread someone tried to tell me Obama has united the races. His sole argument for this was that whites voted for him. IMO Obama has made race relations even worse and has squandered a golden opportunity to bring this country together with his divisive statements and the way he has inserted himself into various race related issues in a Sharpton, Jackson like fashion.
I'm curious what others think and why
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What I think is that President Obama is not the only person in the USA when it comes to improving race relations.

What has the GOP done to improve race relations? How many Blacks and non-white Hispanics voted for Mitt Romney last November? Think about it. The GOP has a problem which will only get worse as massive demographic change hits it a little harder in the future.

I am not wishing the GOP any hard luck here, but it is a simple fact of life that if the GOP doesn't change a lot and soon by no later than the middle of this century it will be reduced to a minor, regional, party.

If you don't think so, just wait and see.

No one can stop time and/or change.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

Gipper said:
Actually, if you remember the statistics, it was the older people who were adamant against this because Democrats did a bang-up job at deluding the Boomers that it was going to impact them negatively - which is a blatant lie.
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Actually both parties use the "third rail"...remember "Death Panels" and "taking X billions from Medicare in Obamacare"?

The fact is both programs are popular but the Republican Party made a decision to draw a line at a certain age for a reason....because their average voter is around that age.

For my generation, privatization of the Washington Slush Fund - what you affectionately refer to as Social Security - would be a terrific thing. The ROI of FICA taxes is pitiful; you'd probably get a better interest rate overall by sticking that 6.2% in an interest-bearing savings account.
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Not after knocking out fee's and commissions. Or is the government suppose to pay Wall Street to maintain your account? Not to mention...let's be honest here...if people don't save now what makes you think they are going to take that money and put it away? I bet you it will go to a house payment/car payment/tuition for kids etc. Some save...and they retire well...others don't and need that SS. I'm doing fantastic saving and having a SS check won't matter but it sure is nice to know that if things go horribly wrong...I get some disease or lose everything I still have that in the background. It's retirement insurance.

It was a big push by younger Republicans, and a few of the more fiscally wise Democrats of my generation.
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I think any fiscally wise person would prefer to save up on their own and also be guaranteed some sort of payment/insurance at retirement in case things go wrong or plans go awry which they sometimes do.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

WCH said:
Well Grasshopper, that's something that growing older will help you recognize. At nearly 60 years, I've seen what you describe and know what real racism looks and sounds like. It's pretty obvious and it's not a component in every issue unless someone makes it so.
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Please don't be condescending.

Here is the point. ... You seem to think that if YOU do not see the racial component then it does not exist. When then is pointing out the racial component in an issue become legitimate? Who makes that decision?
 
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shrubnose said:
What I think is that President Obama is not the only person in the USA when it comes to improving race relations.

What has the GOP done to improve race relations? How many Blacks and non-white Hispanics voted for Mitt Romney last November? Think about it. The GOP has a problem which will only get worse as massive demographic change hits it a little harder in the future.

I am not wishing the GOP any hard luck here, but it is a simple fact of life that if the GOP doesn't change a lot and soon by no later than the middle of this century it will be reduced to a minor, regional, party.

If you don't think so, just wait and see.

No one can stop time and/or change.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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What was the percentage drop of the Hispanic vote for rebubs after Reagan's agreement for amnesty?
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AlabamaPaul said:
It would have been better had you stopped here. These are not specifically issues of race but a symptom of our society and its so-called "leaders". Would you not prefer our economy be growing at such a pace that businesses would once again be competing for available labor resources? Where are the advocates for that without government printing more currency?
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No, it would not have been better had I stopped there because that leaves my point incomplete and thus, inaccurate. It seems like you're determined to not acknowledge the racial issues I'm talking about and that you are, even further, drifting off topic now that you're onto currency. Thus, I have no more interest in this discussion nor the pissing contest that seems to be creeping up.
 
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WCH said:
:2wave:
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Hey man you're entitled to your views but I wouldn't base those views on the sources you're currently losing. There are cases to be made that "Civil rights leader" can be a lucrative career for some individuals but the stuff you're saying leaves the realm of plausibility and goes into the conspiracy/anti-civil rights movement material. The labeling anyone that criticized the systems in place in the US as "agitators". It's not a new tactic! It's been done for a long time.

Southern African American in Jim Crow South "I'm tired of being a second class citizen"
Individuals against the Civil rights "You're agitating...creating a racial problem that doesn't exist...you're being put up to this by the commies".
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
What was the percentage drop of the Hispanic vote for rebubs after Reagan's agreement for amnesty?
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If you really want to know I suggest that you do a little research and find out. I am not going to do that for you.
 
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You didn't buy into that naive liberal post-racial bs, did you?
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

ThePlayDrive said:
No, it would not have been better had I stopped there because that leaves my point incomplete and thus, inaccurate. It seems like you're determined to not acknowledge the racial issues I'm talking about and that you are, even further, drifting off topic now that you're onto currency. Thus, I have no more interest in this discussion nor the pissing contest that seems to be creeping up.
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Somehow, I was guessing this would be your response. You see, it's all interconnected, and without race or gifts, the dems have nothing to offer...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

shrubnose said:
If you really want to know I suggest that you do a little research and find out. I am not going to do that for you.
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I didn't think you would. Let's suffice it to say in the next election, it decreased...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AlabamaPaul said:
Somehow, I was guessing this would be your response. You see, it's all interconnected, and without race or gifts,
the dems have nothing to offer...
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Where do you think that the GOP will be 30 years from now?




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

shrubnose said:
Where do you think that the GOP will be 30 years from now?




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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Where will you be in thirty years? I'm dealing with today's reality not some point after I'm dead...
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

iliveonramen said:
Actually both parties use the "third rail"...remember "Death Panels" and "taking X billions from Medicare in Obamacare"?
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Hyperbole aside, they weren't entirely wrong, y'know. By the way, I'm intentionally trying to create a mental block of anything said by Palin.

The fact is both programs are popular but the Republican Party made a decision to draw a line at a certain age for a reason....because their average voter is around that age.
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Those older Republicans, IMO, are the reason why it got struck down overall. Even though they were Republicans, left-wing platforms crept some doubt into their feeble, impressionable minds. The approval rate of Social Security privatization kept going down as polled age went up - it's actually somewhat of an anomaly when you consider party and such. I think there were just more older Republicans against it than young Democrats for it.

Not after knocking out fee's and commissions. Or is the government suppose to pay Wall Street to maintain your account? Not to mention...let's be honest here...if people don't save now what makes you think they are going to take that money and put it away? I bet you it will go to a house payment/car payment/tuition for kids etc. Some save...and they retire well...others don't and need that SS. I'm doing fantastic saving and having a SS check won't matter but it sure is nice to know that if things go horribly wrong...I get some disease or lose everything I still have that in the background. It's retirement insurance.
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See, this is the biggest argument against. It also highlights my disgust for idiocy and my social Darwinism, because I would say that people who didn't have the foresight to save up and retire broke are just SOL.

I think any fiscally wise person would prefer to save up on their own and also be guaranteed some sort of payment/insurance at retirement in case things go wrong or plans go awry which they sometimes do.
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It's just a symptom of how too many people want something for nothing. They need a purge, but all my plans are a little...heartless.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AlabamaPaul said:
Somehow, I was guessing this would be your response. You see, it's all interconnected, and without race or gifts, the dems have nothing to offer...
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Okay.
 
Re: Has obama brought the races together

AlabamaPaul said:
Where will you be in thirty years?
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I'm dealing with today's reality not some point after I'm dead...
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Who knows?

I don't see any reason why I couldn't be in the same chair that I am sitting in right now.
 
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