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Most Important Allied Member of WWII

Most Important Allied Member of WWII

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radcen said:
Size is misleading. France didn't have the will.
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None did, that is why Hitler ran rough shod over all of Europe in just a year or so...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Well?
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If you were to split WWII into Europe and the Pacific, I'd say USSR would own Europe and US would own the Pacific. But since you don't, I'd have to give the edge to the US, who came in at the right moment in Europe to open up a second front and simultaneously fought back Japan.

And don't forget the atom bomb. The fact that the US developed that in the war still has implications to this day.
 
The USSR. My opinion is that if one studies the history of WWII, one will find out that they are studying a history of Russian blood and sacrifice. Truly the scale of the Eastern Front itself is staggering, and it alone would qualify as the biggest war in history if set as a separate war.
 
Proud South Korean said:
The USSR. My opinion is that if one studies the history of WWII, one will find out that they are studying a history of Russian blood and sacrifice. Truly the scale of the Eastern Front itself is staggering, and it alone would qualify as the biggest war in history if set as a separate war.
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Depressing as the fact is, simply having the most number of deaths does not mean they contributed the most, nor necessarily were the most important.
 
The Mark said:
Depressing as the fact is, simply having the most number of deaths does not mean they contributed the most, nor necessarily were the most important.
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I agree with this, though I also believe that they would have been able to outlast the Germans even without aid.
 
Proud South Korean said:
The USSR. My opinion is that if one studies the history of WWII, one will find out that they are studying a history of Russian blood and sacrifice. Truly the scale of the Eastern Front itself is staggering, and it alone would qualify as the biggest war in history if set as a separate war.
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I don't see how the USSR could have defeated Japan though.
 
The Mark said:
Depressing as the fact is, simply having the most number of deaths does not mean they contributed the most, nor necessarily were the most important.
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Perhaps, but they also destroyed 80% of the Wehrmacht during the whole war.
 
aberrant85 said:
I don't see how the USSR could have defeated Japan though.
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They would have swept through its continental holdings, though I agree that it would have taken them several decades at least to defeat Japan. They didn't have the air and naval power like the US
 
I'd say the US. With the Lend-Lease program that kept England in the fight, our manufacturing prowess, and the overwhelming force we provided when we did enter the European front we probably shortened the war by at least 2 years.

Don't think the Nazi's could have won after attacking the Soviets, their manpower along with the Russian winter pretty much assured the Germans weren't going to take Russia, but the war would have lasted much longer.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Well?
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The Axis was defeated because there was an alliance; every member contributed and the victory wouldn't have come without them all, and without the contribution of those you didn't mention like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, South Africa, India, France, Poland, Norway, Belgium and the Netherlands.
 
TurtleDude said:
The US. Our ability to produce massive amounts of material out of the reach of the Axis or Japanese bombers would have won the war eventually even with out the Soviets..
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This. We were the only country in WWII that was out of reach of the enemy. The ability to effect an enemy's logistical capability is the key to winning any war. It is said ""Amateurs strategy. Professionals talk logistics."
 
Bodhisattva said:
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I thought that the Soviets tied up 75% of Germany's Army and this unsuccessful invasion of Russia by Germany spread the Armies over two fronts and made supply lines tenuous. Also, the Russians killed huge numbers of Germans, while sustaining huge losses themselves. I think Western media has always downplayed the Russian contribution to honor its' own heroes. Understandable, but it does not change the reality.
 
Proud South Korean said:
They would have swept through its continental holdings, though I agree that it would have taken them several decades at least to defeat Japan. They didn't have the air and naval power like the US
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Sounds about right, though if the war were to go that long I would bet there would be an armistice rather than an unconditional surrender. If the USSR got the bomb before the US then maybe they could have got an unconditional surrender.
 
The U.S. which produced General Eisenhower and the A-bomb.
 
aberrant85 said:
If you were to split WWII into Europe and the Pacific, I'd say USSR would own Europe and US would own the Pacific. But since you don't, I'd have to give the edge to the US, who came in at the right moment in Europe to open up a second front and simultaneously fought back Japan.

And don't forget the atom bomb. The fact that the US developed that in the war still has implications to this day.
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If you split it then absolutely yes, I agree. I would also give the edge to the USA for many many reasons....
 
Proud South Korean said:
The USSR. My opinion is that if one studies the history of WWII, one will find out that they are studying a history of Russian blood and sacrifice. Truly the scale of the Eastern Front itself is staggering, and it alone would qualify as the biggest war in history if set as a separate war.
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The scale was big, yes, but that does not determine contribution. The USA contributed in two theatres of war, lent other major Allies significant and important supplies, was integral in breaking codes that lead to the shortening the war, etc. The Russians just threw tons of unarmed and badly armed men into machine gun fire until they withered down the Germans. That was great, but that was about it.
 
On this Remembrance Day, I'll toss Canada into the mix - after losing over 60,000 soldiers in WW1 even though we were never attacked, we entered the fray very early, in support of our European friends, and lost another 40,000 soldiers in WW2.

Canada isn't just a fair-weather friend and to this day, when travelling in Europe, people will thank Canadians for their ancestors' help in these two great conflicts.
 
The UK. They were the pivot; they took the stand from the beginning, they persevered to the end. Not to diminish anybody else's contribution, but the Brits deserve the most recognition.

(And - again, not to dismiss the enormous sacrifices the Russian people made during the war - but let's not forget how the war had started: with the Nazis and the Commies attacking Poland from two sides.

The USSR (as the Stalinist political entity, not as a careless nickname for Russia) can take its "significance as an ally" and shove it "where the Sun doesn't shine", as they say in Russia (which means "Siberia", by the way).
 
CanadaJohn said:
On this Remembrance Day, I'll toss Canada into the mix - after losing over 60,000 soldiers in WW1 even though we were never attacked, we entered the fray very early, in support of our European friends, and lost another 40,000 soldiers in WW2.

Canada isn't just a fair-weather friend and to this day, when travelling in Europe, people will thank Canadians for their ancestors' help in these two great conflicts.
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Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders are the most underappreciated heroes of the greatest drama of the 20th century.
 
The Soviets. They won the war after all.
 
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