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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%
  • Total voters
    166
AlabamaPaul said:
There is nothing to be gained by bombing Syria. There are at least six factions trying to topple Assad, and when he's gone, they'll fight amongst each other for control of the country...
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There's a helluva lot to be lost by backing down. We back down in the 90's and in 2001 we were attacked and lost 3,000 Americans. Iran has already threatened to attack the US embassy in Baghdad and to rape Obama's daughters.
 
apdst said:
There's a helluva lot to be lost by backing down. We back down in the 90's and in 2001 we were attacked and lost 3,000 Americans. Iran has already threatened to attack the US embassy in Baghdad and to rape Obama's daughters.
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If you want the country to attack, it should be Iran that is attacked. They are the puppet master running Syria. Syria in no way is a threat to the US or the region. You also need to take into account that Russia has a naval base in Syria and will not sit idly by while a new regime might not like that.

Our entire ME policy is a mess. Hell, I'm not even sure what it is...
 
Ikari said:
And that proof would be? I think at best you're going to have WW II, the last time we officially declared war. At best.
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Iran hostages, the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets and 9/11 are other examples.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
If you want the country to attack, it should be Iran that is attacked. They are the puppet master running Syria. Syria in no way is a threat to the US or the region. You also need to take into account that Russia has a naval base in Syria and will not sit idly by while a new regime might not like that.

Our entire ME policy is a mess. Hell, I'm not even sure what it is...
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You're missing the picture. The point, is that Obama made a threat. Failure to carry it out will be exploited by the bad guys.
 
apdst said:
Iran hostages, the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets and 9/11 are other examples.
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Would you want the US to take over the entire ME? The Iran hostages debacle was Jimmy's train wreck and he probably had better foreign policy skills. WTF would you have done to prevent either of your last two examples?
 
apdst said:
Iran hostages, the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviets and 9/11 are other examples.
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We didn't invade Iran to get the hostages back, US and then Soviet Union fought many a proxy war in the 80's which netted nothing more than trained terrorists. 9/11 wasn't caused by backing down and our response has doubled the American loss, gotten us bogged down in over a decade of war which is still expanding, cost us over a trillion dollars, and done nothing to solve the problems that led to 9/11.

So do you have any actual examples?
 
apdst said:
You're missing the picture. The point, is that Obama made a threat. Failure to carry it out will be exploited by the bad guys.
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The President is incompetent in these matters and supporting incompetency is never a good idea...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The President is incompetent in these matters and supporting incompetency is never a good idea...
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Backing down magnifies that incompetance. Do you want his dumb ass calling the shots during a real war, or a half assed missile attack? Can you imagine what will happen if Israel is invaded, with Russian support?
 
Ikari said:
We didn't invade Iran to get the hostages back, US and then Soviet Union fought many a proxy war in the 80's which netted nothing more than trained terrorists. 9/11 wasn't caused by backing down and our response has doubled the American loss, gotten us bogged down in over a decade of war which is still expanding, cost us over a trillion dollars, and done nothing to solve the problems that led to 9/11. So do you have any actual examples?
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You need to brush up your history. Seriously! Your conclusions couldnt be more wrong.
 
apdst said:
Backing down magnifies that incompetance. Do you want his dumb ass calling the shots during a real war, or a half assed missile attack? Can you imagine what will happen if Israel is invaded, with Russian support?
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There is no country competent enough to invade Israel or it already would have done so. As to backing down, sometimes it is the wiser strategy rather than moving forward with no mission plan. I don't think any country respects our current President's actions relating to foreign policy...
 
apdst said:
You need to brush up your history. Seriously! Your conclusions couldnt be more wrong.
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We invaded Iran for the hostages? America and Russia weren't fighting proxy wars with each other? We haven't been in the ME for over a decade? What's incorrect?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
There is no country competent enough to invade Israel or it already would have done so. As to backing down, sometimes it is the wiser strategy rather than moving forward with no mission plan. I don't think any country respects our current President's actions relating to foreign policy...
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It has happened already. 3 times.
 
Ikari said:
We invaded Iran for the hostages? America and Russia weren't fighting proxy wars with each other? We haven't been in the ME for over a decade? What's incorrect?
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Did I say anything about invading Iran?
 
apdst said:
Israel barely won, but tjat's no guarantee that they'll win the next one. The dynamics are totally different now.
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Israel has expanded its borders after each try. You do realize that they have nukes, and if it comes down to their survival, they just might use them...
 
hah Paul Nukes yeah this time they'll have to take over the whole place and convert the survivors to Judaism and democracy
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AngryOldGuy said:
hah Paul Nukes yeah this time they'll have to take over the whole place and convert the survivors to Judaism and democracy
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It was a serious post. If it comes down to their survival against a nuclear armed Iran and conventional means were not adequate, I don't think they would hesitate to at least set off one as an EMP device, if not conventionally...
 
apdst said:
Backing down magnifies that incompetance. Do you want his dumb ass calling the shots during a real war, or a half assed missile attack? Can you imagine what will happen if Israel is invaded, with Russian support?
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If Russia decides to invade Israel, we will deal with that if it happens. Syria is a "small peanuts" player on the world stage, and is involved in a religious war that has gone on for centuries. They probably started out by throwing stones at each other, for all we know, but with chemical weapons now available, they have used them.. They are an ally of Iran, who is an ally of Russia. Are you saying that BHO might want a war with Iran/Russia over Syria, and eventually Israel? Even he is not that stupid! That's why we have the M.A.D. agreements. I think all the world's major powers agree that a possible WW3 is not in anyone's best interests! Saving face, or having to back down from an unfortunate off the cuff comment that was made, is not a good enough reason to escalate chaos in an already highly unstable area of the world! We need to stay out of it, or what you hypothesize may indeed occur! :eek:
 
AngryOldGuy said:
hah Paul Nukes yeah this time they'll have to take over the whole place and convert the survivors to Judaism and democracy
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Good afternoon, AngryOldGuy. :2wave:

:funny: You won't know what chaos is until that occurs! :lamo:
 
polgara said:
If Russia decides to invade Israel, we will deal with that if it happens. Syria is a "small peanuts" player on the world stage, and is involved in a religious war that has gone on for centuries. They probably started out by throwing stones at each other, for all we know, but with chemical weapons now available, they have used them.. They are an ally of Iran, who is an ally of Russia. Are you saying that BHO might want a war with Iran/Russia over Syria, and eventually Israel? Even he is not that stupid! That's why we have the M.A.D. agreements. I think all the world's major powers agree that a possible WW3 is not in anyone's best interests! Saving face, or having to back down from an unfortunate off the cuff comment that was made, is not a good enough reason to escalate chaos in an already highly unstable area of the world! We need to stay out of it, or what you hypothesize may indeed occur! :eek:
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Which woukd you rather deal with, a Russian backed invasion of Israel, or a missile strike on Syria?
 
apdst said:
Which woukd you rather deal with, a Russian backed invasion of Israel, or a missile strike on Syria?
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It's a strike on Syria which may led to an invasion of Israel.
 
don't be silly Russia has no desire to invade Israel
besides the Bamster is going to get shot down in Congress
this whole thing is to deflect attention from the continuing resolution battle at the end of the month
 
When is the congress going to vote?
 
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