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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%
  • Total voters
    166
Lord of Planar said:
It's not that simple with all the factions you have in the Middle-East, largely driven by religious differences. The best way to reduce the deaths is to support the strongest leader. Leaders in the ME have to be violent. That's the only thing that the leaders of the smaller groups respect. Our USA ideals are a sign or weakness in their view.

Any idea how idiotic it is to view these nations by our values?
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I don't think I said anything about viewing them by our standers except the killing your people part. Killing your people when innocent civilians have been killed in painful ways is what A strong leader should avoid especial when its more than a hundred .
 
Un biased said:
Yeah lets stand around while people die . Country First Humans in general Second . How many people have to die before we help something is better than nothing
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When will you be leaving for the Middle East? And which side do you intend to fight for?

Or are you one more hypocritical person who is eager to have some other person die so that you can feel good about yourself? What vital national interest would drive us to put our military at risk and spend billions of dollars?
 
Un biased said:
I don't think I said anything about viewing them by our standers except the killing your people part. Killing your people when innocent civilians have been killed in painful ways is what A strong leader should avoid especial when its more than a hundred .
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What proof do you have that the media reports are accurate?

These leaders don't want to kill innocent civilians. That just makes it harder for them to maintain control. Do you think they are stupid?
 
KevinKohler said:
The problem with France is they sorta have this chip on their shoulder about being at least second best...at everything. What do they make that I, or anyone else, actually wants?

The Italians ROCK them in food. Cheese? I'll take 1,000 day Gouda over anything the French bring to the table. Brie tastes just like it smells...a foot. It's why they have to put pastry all over it. And frankly, nothing rivals mozzarella for taste and versatility.

Everyone except Russia kicks their buts in cars. I need to own a Peugeot like I need herpes.

Wine? Sorry, but our own Nappa valley kicks them in the balls. Italy ain't so bad in that dept, either. And then there are German ice wines. Tasty.

What else they got? What exactly is France's contribution to the world market?
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Crossaints, escargo, cologne, and probably some other cool stuff that escapes me at the moment.
 
Misterveritis said:
When will you be leaving for the Middle East? And which side do you intend to fight for?

Or are you one more hypocritical person who is eager to have some other person die so that you can feel good about yourself? What vital national interest would drive us to put our military at risk and spend billions of dollars?
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It is not Un Biased responsibility to topple tyrants. However that is the responsibility of our leaders and military. By the way, did you know that during the revolutionary war, the French send warships, soldiers and weapons to the rebels? Did you also know that it is very likely that the revolution would have lost without their support?
 
Un biased said:
Yeah lets stand around while people die . Country First Humans in general Second . How many people have to die before we help something is better than nothing
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The slogan "something is better than nothing" is the most stupid reason to undertake any action.
 
KevinKohler said:
The problem with France is they sorta have this chip on their shoulder about being at least second best...at everything.
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I think you're completely wrong about that. How much time do you spend in France? Which French people are you talking to?

The Italians ROCK them in food.
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Nonsense.

Cheese? I'll take 1,000 day Gouda over anything the French bring to the table. Brie tastes just like it smells...a foot.
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That demonstrates more about your somewhat plebeian tastes than it does about French cheese.

It's why they have to put pastry all over it.
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Pastry? I have never, ever been served Brie in pastry in France. I think that may be an American invention; it sounds ghastly.

And frankly, nothing rivals mozzarella for taste and versatility.
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Mozzarella? Really? If it had any taste I could maybe agree with the versatility comment.

Everyone except Russia kicks their buts in cars. I need to own a Peugeot like I need herpes.
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Peugeot's are excellent, well-built cars. Renaults and Citroëns are aimed at the economy end of the market. I'd still rather have one of those than a Chevrolet.

Wine? Sorry, but our own Nappa valley kicks them in the balls. Italy ain't so bad in that dept, either. And then there are German ice wines. Tasty.
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Uninformed prejudice rather than any substantive complaint.

What else they got?
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The idea that not everything has to have its worth judged according to capitalist terms? The worth of a nation is not dependent on the size of its economy nor the strength of its military.

I believe it's the current fashion in the US to use France as a whipping boy for everything people there hate about Europe, but that **** got tired about the time that the French and Germans were proved right on the lack of Iraqi WMDs.
 
are the Tomahawks in the air yet?
 
MadLib said:
Crossaints, escargo, cologne, and probably some other cool stuff that escapes me at the moment.
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Croissants are said to come from Vienna (viennoiserie), Cologne (eau de cologne) is the name of a town in Germany, and escargots are eaten by many people in poor communities around the world. Cigarette (-ette is a typically French suffix) originally comes from the Americas; but roulette was invented in France, as well as denim, sleeveless shirts and barb wires. Or so I've heard.
 
paris said:
Croissants are said to come from Vienna (viennoiserie), Cologne (eau de cologne) is the name of a town in Germany, and escargots are eaten by many people in poor communities around the world. Cigarette (-ette is a typically French suffix) originally comes from the Americas; but roulette was invented in France, as well as denim, sleeveless shirts and barb wires. Or so I've heard.
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When my son spent a month in France recently, he said everyone was skinny compared to 'Murica everyone even 10 year old kids smoked le cigarettes and he was violently unimpressed with with French cuisine, first thing he did when he landed @ JFK was run and get a cheezburger ;)
 
AngryOldGuy said:
When my son spent a month in France recently, he said everyone was skinny compared to 'Murica everyone even 10 year old kids smoked le cigarettes and he was violently unimpressed with with French cuisine, first thing he did when he landed @ JFK was run and get a cheezburger ;)
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Despite all odds, obesity is catching up in France - you can now buy a cheese burger on almost every corner. Give it a few more years and your son will feel right at home, among peers!
 
hah my kid is 6' 2" and 190 lbs he mentioned the only guy he met there
that was taller than him was a German dude he smiled and offered him a vegimite sandwhich
 
hee hee hee you got me there
it is funny that we never stopped being silly with our feet n such ;)
188 cm 86 Kilograms? ;)
 
Andalublue said:
I think you're completely wrong about that. How much time do you spend in France? Which French people are you talking to?

Nonsense.

That demonstrates more about your somewhat plebeian tastes than it does about French cheese.

Pastry? I have never, ever been served Brie in pastry in France. I think that may be an American invention; it sounds ghastly.

Mozzarella? Really? If it had any taste I could maybe agree with the versatility comment.

Peugeot's are excellent, well-built cars. Renaults and Citroëns are aimed at the economy end of the market. I'd still rather have one of those than a Chevrolet.

Uninformed prejudice rather than any substantive complaint.

The idea that not everything has to have its worth judged according to capitalist terms? The worth of a nation is not dependent on the size of its economy nor the strength of its military.

I believe it's the current fashion in the US to use France as a whipping boy for everything people there hate about Europe, but that **** got tired about the time that the French and Germans were proved right on the lack of Iraqi WMDs.
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I was being very tongue and cheek with this comment, but you and a few others have taken fairly seriously...much more so than I intended it to. It was supposed to be funny.

I have only visited France once, Lyons, never made it to Paris, ran out of time, but the few days I spent in Lyons were lovely. I enjoyed Germany more, but I'm a HUGE beer nut, and most of my time in Germany was spent sampling local made brews...and driving various years of M3s, the 4th greatest sports car line of all time.

French cheese is good, but I stand by 1000 day aged Gouda. Great stuff, good for ANY occasion. And fresh mozz really is the most versatile cheese, ever. Not even cheddar comes close. I'm not actually a big wine drinker, and when I do drink them, I prefer dry whites. Not really Frances forte, from what I saw.

The only decent Peugots were made before 95'. Everything after them suck, sorry to say. Older Peugots? Legends. Cleo V6 is a good car, but not compared to the old Turbo. That car was also a legend. Now? Now French cars seemed to be measured in how dreary and boring they are.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Well Obama's red line has been crossed and we went into Libya for far less so what do you think? "Residents of Damascus suburbs recount massive assault by Assad army; videos show small children convulsing on the floor, foaming at the nose and mouth. Doctor: Injuries correspond with sarin gas "
"The men, women and children lying undisturbed in their beds had looked so peaceful they might have been just sleeping, Abu Nidal thought, as he and other rescuers dragged their bodies into the street."

"His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews
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As part of the human race, do you have a red line? Should humanity have a red line?
 
No red line, unless you want to say getting our sons and daughters killed for no good reason
then I'd call that a red line?
 
KevinKohler said:
I was being very tongue and cheek with this comment, but you and a few others have taken fairly seriously...much more so than I intended it to. It was supposed to be funny.
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You need to work on putting a few jokes in then. If you're after some good one-liners, I'm sure Tucker or Spud could help. I took your post as serious because it was very reminiscent of many attack-the-French posts I read here regularly. No worries. I'm sure you mean well.

P.S. Your taste in cheese and beverages is terrible btw. No one would claim Brie to be one of the great cheeses of France; it's as commercially produced as your mozzarella or cheddar. The best French cheese never gets exported; it is local, unpasteurised and matured for ages. Try some Époisses and then try to get enthused about Gouda - another industrial product. And France doesn't do dry white wine??? I guess you never heard of Chablis Premier Cru, or Puligny-Montrachet, Meursault, Mâcon or Volnay.
 
It's none of our business. We can't afford it, and we've got our own problems to deal with.
 
Exactly even if we stormed in there guns a blazin' and killed everyone holding a weapon
the place would just end up like Lebanon with a 15 year civil war?
Heck that might be what happens either way?
 
Andalublue said:
You need to work on putting a few jokes in then. If you're after some good one-liners, I'm sure Tucker or Spud could help. I took your post as serious because it was very reminiscent of many attack-the-French posts I read here regularly. No worries. I'm sure you mean well.

P.S. Your taste in cheese and beverages is terrible btw. No one would claim Brie to be one of the great cheeses of France; it's as commercially produced as your mozzarella or cheddar. The best French cheese never gets exported; it is local, unpasteurised and matured for ages. Try some Époisses and then try to get enthused about Gouda - another industrial product. And France doesn't do dry white wine??? I guess you never heard of Chablis Premier Cru, or Puligny-Montrachet, Meursault, Mâcon or Volnay.
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Actually, Macon rings a bell, though I can't quite recall it. Again, not a big wine drinker. My favorite white to date is a local winery here in CT. Only whites I really like out of Napa are Mondavi wines.

I have to stress the aged portion, of aged Gouda. I hate Gouda, as it is normally sold in the states. But aging it totally changes the cheese. Very sharp, but smooth, good variety of flavors. I'd love to try different French cheeses, but all I ever see are Brie, which tastes like crap IMO, and Gorgonzola. While gorg is a GREAT cooking cheese, it's not a good choice for plain eating.

And I stand by Italian food vs French, lol.

For me, the best part about France were the views. It's no wonder the country has produced so many noteworthy painters, really a beautiful place.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
No red line, unless you want to say getting our sons and daughters killed for no good reason
then I'd call that a red line?
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If Obama doesn't back up his smack talking, it will cost even more lives down the line.

Inaction, or token action will do nothing but embolden the bad guys around the world. John Kerry is right, "The despites of the world are listening for our silence".

While I think it was incredibly stupid for Obama to draw his friggin red line, it would be even more stupid--and dangerous--not to follow up on the threat.
 
Well there you go, lobbin' a few cruise missiles isn't' gonna cut it.
but boots on the ground the way these incompetents would do it would be far worse!

The best course of action is inaction and...
I'm telling you
This whole thing
is nothing more than a
diversion
to get Amnesty passed?

Trust me, he never intended to do anything there in the first place
 
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