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No mention of that on Wiki. I just checked. Whatever. Your point is?No, Zion city.
No mention of that on Wiki. I just checked. Whatever. Your point is?No, Zion city.
No mention of that on Wiki. I just checked. Whatever. Your point is?
The movie? Are you serious? How do you suppose the Death Star factors into current events? Lex Luthor could be a problem.I was talking to the Matrix's city of Zion. Never mind.
If it happens. And only as another sorry little proxy skirmish. Not as a flashpoint for extinction.My point is, war in Syria is very, very dangerous.
The movie? Are you serious?
If it happens.
If so, then someone in the US government needs to be tried and executed for treason. Who do you suggest we start with?
But not it's political masters?? :doh :lamo :lamo:lamoThe CIA in its' entirety.
But not it's political masters?? :doh :lamo :lamo:lamo
I was very minorly involved, but in a military intelligence role that allowed me quite an interesting viewpoint.
Just out of curiosity, where do you think this navy will be based? Archangel? The Baltic? The Black Sea? Vladivostok?
No, we refused to get involved directly in Libya because every time we get involved anywhere, left wing bastards and far right bastards spend their time criticizing us. Why don't you socialists give it a shot?
I think if we want the UN and NATO to remain credible organisations then we have to go in and put a stop to this genocide or we can march to China/Russia's drum and sit back and do nothing.
Heya Higgins. :2wave: But then if we do that and use that argument. Shouldn't we go in and take out any that are committing genocide. Like the Rebels. The MB. The Salafists.
They will then set up whatever government feigning democracy and still have been responsible for genocide and their coming into power.
Otherwise why even play the part of hypocrites.
I think we have to use caution with every incident and be realistic about how much we can prevent. But in this case with potentially hundreds of thousands dead, thousands of refugees flooding into nearby countries threatening to destabilise the entire region and of course the potential use of chemical weapons I think we have to act. I mean its not like the West is rushing into this one considering how long the "civil war' as been going on.
Well.....here we wont be able to prevent the country from dividing into 3 regions. This our people should already know. So just making moves to get rid of Assad and Thinking we can give the Country to the MB and the Sunni Muslims. Is a major mistake and truthfully any of our politicians saying otherwise are fools and need to be driven out of office and out to pasture.
Moreover we already have the words of the Rebels saying no Alawites can be part of anything. That's both the FSA and Al Nusra. So we know they will continue on with the Sectarian killing after Assad is removed.
Which still leaves all those Christians stuck with being hit by both Sunni and Shia.
I agree that if we do intervene we need to have a plan in motion for after Assad falls but I honestly don't think we can wait any longer. Its now or never especially given the stance of Obama and Cameron this week, if we back off now we look weak.
I don't think any in the West are in a position to build up 3 countries so they can have Autonomy.
That's the thing about perception......here one day gone the next. Especially with the way we control the Media. Give it another 6 months. The FSA and the National Council will be out of the Picture. Then we will have a look at who the real players are behind the scenes.
People here in the US don't even want to do the drive by. So why waste 820k per tomahawk for no real clear gains.
I agree that if we do intervene we need to have a plan in motion for after Assad falls but I honestly don't think we can wait any longer. Its now or never especially given the stance of Obama and Cameron this week, if we back off now we look weak.
were we in a position to intervene in the Balkans given the huge amount of sovereignty and border issues that ensued and still continue to this day?
Dumbest reason to attack someone................................. ever.
Really? Do you know how foreign policy works?
The minute you start backing down and going back on your word your enemies pounce on it.
How about increasing the credibility around the world of "Rules principles" like: "without clear evidence we do not act"
Your country (more than USA) is willing to act without an international mandate.
Nothing wrong with a bit of gun boat diplomacy.
The U.S. could hit Syria with three days of missile strikes, perhaps beginning Thursday, in an attack meant more to send a message to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad than to topple him or cripple his military, senior U.S. officials told NBC News on Tuesday.
The State Department fed the growing drumbeat around the world for a military response to Syria's suspected use of chemical weapons against rebels Aug. 21 near Damascus, saying that while the U.S. intelligence community would release a formal assessment within the week, it was already "crystal clear" that Assad's government was responsible. Vice President Joe Biden went even further, bluntly telling an American Legion audience in Houston: "Chemical weapons have been used."
were we in a position to intervene in the Balkans given the huge amount of sovereignty and border issues that ensued and still continue to this day?