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Should we go into Syria

Should we go into Syria

  • Yes, the red line has been crossed

    Votes: 23 13.9%

  • No way Jose, not our problem

    Votes: 143 86.1%
  • Total voters
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Coin said:
Like i said: Kosovo and Serbia were so different with Syria. Their difference is like black and white.
Kosovo people were not rebels/terrorists who wanted to take power or change regime. They were citizens in their own lands. And Serbia wanted to put them out of their own lands. The cases are so different.

No one knows yet who used the chemical weapons. And notice that rebels used twice during 2012 - 2013. No move was made on that time.
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Maybe you don't know who used the chemical weapons but the USA and its allies have decided that it was Syria and they intend to make Syria pay a price for that mis-deed.

I agree with this and I support what is about to happen. Evildoers must be punished.

If you don't agree with this, well, no one is asking for your help.

You can sit this one out, but it's going to happen whether you like it or not and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
 
shrubnose said:
Maybe you don't know who used the chemical weapons but the USA and its allies have decided that it was Syria and they intend to make Syria pay a price for that mis-deed.

I agree with this and I support what is about to happen. Evildoers must be punished.

If you don't agree with this, well, no one is asking for your help.

You can sit this one out, but it's going to happen whether you like it or not and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.
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Jeez ...
 
Coin said:
Like i said: Kosovo and Serbia were so different with Syria. Their difference is like black and white.
Kosovo people were not rebels/terrorists who wanted to take power or change regime. They were citizens in their own lands. And Serbia wanted to put them out of their own lands. The cases are so different.

No one knows yet who used the chemical weapons. And notice that rebels used twice during 2012 - 2013. No move was made on that time.
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The KLA could rather convincingly be painted as terrorists. There are differences between the two namely an independence movement as opposed to a revolutionary one, but they aren't nearly as different as you are protesting them to be. Moreover this was all aimed at your comment that essentially boiled down to "they haven't won yet which means the Syrian people support Assad" which not only is not a fair measurement it isn't particularly relevant.
 
Caine said:
Im having a hard time understanding this....... Are you saying we SHOULD go into Syria?
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Our dear friend CP is a self-avowed neocon. He freely owns up to that title and for that I respect him. Have you EVER known a neocon to pass up an opportunity to start a good war?
 
Coin said:
Jeez ...
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The USA and its allies are going to do what they are going to do with or without your support.

Deal with it.

They don't need your approval and I guarantee you that they will never even think of asking you for it.

You are wasting your own time and others time here.

What is going to happen in Syria is a done deal and you will not change it.
Assad brought this on himself by his own outrageous actions - now he is going to pay a heavy price for what he did.

If you don't think so, I advise you to wait (Not long.) and see.




War is never a good thing.

But there is such a thing as a just war.

For example: When the USA and it's allies went to war against Japan and Germany in WWII, that was a just war.
 
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Are you folks ready to take on Russia?

I wish we would have had at least enough time to lick our Afghanistan/Iraq wounds and build up our rock pile again before taking on another country.

Face it folks. Like it or not, it appears that the United States is just a warring nation, plain and simple. Any excuse will do. We turned out to be exactly what the other nations around the world claimed we were. War dogs of the Nth degree.

Let's make John Wayne proud. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Ooo-rah.
 
Captain America said:
Our dear friend CP is a self-avowed neocon. He freely owns up to that title and for that I respect him. Have you EVER known a neocon to pass up an opportunity to start a good war?
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CP is a neoconservative? I knew I liked him.
 
Captain America said:
Are you folks ready to take on Russia?

I wish we would have had at least enough time to lick our Afghanistan/Iraq wounds and build up our rock pile again before taking on another country.

Face it folks. Like it or not, it appears that the United States is just a warring nation, plain and simple. Any excuse will do. We turned out to be exactly what the other nations around the world claimed we were. War dogs of the Nth degree.
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Let's make John Wayne proud. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Ooo-rah.
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The UN has had two years to act in Syria and has accomplished nothing. So it's time for some other people to step in and do what needs to be done. That is about to happen, whether anyone likes it or not.

"War is hell"

But there is such a thing as a just war.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I was for helping the rebels in Syria when things first broke out but Obama has now procrastinated so long that this thing has morphed into something different and Alquiada has filled in the vacuum we left. At this point I say it's a hornets nest we should stay far away from.
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Yeah, we dropped the ball. If we were going to act, it would have been when this all got started. However, I'm not for random conflicts anyway, stay home, not our fight.
 
Captain America said:
Face it folks. Like it or not, it appears that the United States is just a warring nation, plain and simple. Any excuse will do. We turned out to be exactly what the other nations around the world claimed we were. War dogs of the Nth degree.

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I hate to admit this, but it seems to be true.
We always hear about..." our vital interests in the area " or " if we don't intervene, who will? ".
The trump card is usually..." if we don't police the world, someone else will, we can't risk that... "
At this point, I think most Americans and the world are willing to take that risk.
 
Captain America said:
Are you folks ready to take on Russia
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?

I wish we would have had at least enough time to lick our Afghanistan/Iraq wounds and build up our rock pile again before taking on another country.

Face it folks. Like it or not, it appears that the United States is just a warring nation, plain and simple. Any excuse will do. We turned out to be exactly what the other nations around the world claimed we were. War dogs of the Nth degree.

Let's make John Wayne proud. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Ooo-rah.
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Is Russia and/or China ready to take on the USA?

I don't think so.

Both of those countries have plans for the future, and you can bet your last dollar that those plans don't include recovering from a post WWIII Nuclear Apocalypse
 
radioman said:
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I hate to admit this, but it seems to be true.
We always hear about..." our vital interests in the area " or " if we don't intervene, who will? ".
The trump card is usually..." if we don't police the world, someone else will, we can't risk that... "
At this point, I think most Americans and the world are willing to take that risk.
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War is big business. And those profiting from it do not usually have to put any blood or skin into the game. America overwhelmingly wants to NOT get involved in Syria. Does anyone think for a second that it matters what we think? If America needs to go to war, I submit it is our own war dogs we should declare that war on.
 
shrubnose said:
Is Russia and/or China ready to take on the USA?

I don't think so.

Both of those countries have plans for the future, and you can bet your last dollar that those plans don't include recovering from a post WWIII Nuclear Apocalypse
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China and Russia have nukes too. The great equalizer. Besides, they may be able to conquer us without firing a shot. As we deplete our munitions, national treasure and lives all across the globe playing John Wayne, they will simply foreclose upon us when we are done.
 
Captain America said:
Are you folks ready to take on Russia?

I wish we would have had at least enough time to lick our Afghanistan/Iraq wounds and build up our rock pile again before taking on another country.

Face it folks. Like it or not, it appears that the United States is just a warring nation, plain and simple. Any excuse will do. We turned out to be exactly what the other nations around the world claimed we were. War dogs of the Nth degree.

Let's make John Wayne proud.
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em. Ooo-rah.
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If you ain't got'em, get one from your buddy, if your buddy ain't got'em, get a new buddy.

Anyone who thinks that the sabre has not already been drawn is not up with the latest news.
 
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Captain America said:
China and Russia have nukes too. The great equalizer. Besides, they may be able to conquer us without firing a shot. As we deplete our munitions, national treasure and lives all across the globe playing John Wayne, they will simply foreclose upon us when we are done.
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That's right.
While USA is playing battle field games around globe, Russia has been developing a lot its Navy. By 2020 they claim to have a huge Navy.
And who knows what else they are doing. Their silence last ten years is too suspicious imo.
 
Coin said:
That's right.
While USA is playing battle field games around globe, Russia has been developing a lot its Navy. By 2020 they claim to have a huge Navy.
And who knows what else they are doing. Their silence last ten years is too suspicious imo.
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Good to see somebody wore their "thinking cap," to class today. ;)
 
Captain America said:
China and Russia have nukes too. The great equalizer. Besides, they may be able to conquer us without firing a shot.
As we deplete our munitions, national treasure and lives all across the globe playing John Wayne, they will simply foreclose upon us when we are done.
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Or we can foreclose on them when they are done.

There will be no victors in a nuclear WWIII, Only losers.

I won't say wait and see, because no one will be able to see.
 
Coin said:
That's right.
While USA is playing battle field games around globe, Russia has been developing a lot its Navy. By 2020 they claim to have a huge Navy.
And who knows what else they are doing. Their silence last ten years is too suspicious imo.
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Just out of curiosity, where do you think this navy will be based? Archangel? The Baltic? The Black Sea? Vladivostok?
 
Diogenes said:
Are you actually claiming that the US Intelligence Agencies are knowingly supporting AQ?? :shock: :roll:
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Yes! Who do you think gave AQ the funding and arms to get where they are. We are sending both arms and money to the rebels in Syria. Who do you think the rebels are? Who has been caught using chemical weapons? The US openly states that it is funding the rebels. Adjust your blinders.
 
shrubnose said:
Or we can foreclose on them when they are done.

There will be no victors in a nuclear WWIII, Only losers.

I won't say wait and see, because no one will be able to see.
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We're in debt to China and Russia, not the other way around. We can only foreclose on Greece and maybe Cyprus. We owe everybody.
 
DaveFagan said:
We're in debt to China and Russia, not the other way around. We can only foreclose on Greece and maybe Cyprus. We owe everybod
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Good Point.

I guess that we could say that's one good thing about a nuclear holocaust - When it's all over with we get a fresh start. Kinda like declaring a bankruptcy, eh?
 
Ad_Captandum said:
France and Britain took the lead in Libya,
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No, they didn't. They were willing to be a more public face of the effort, but required U.S. enablement for their operations, and U.S. stand-in when they were unable to fulfill their agreed upon portions of the mission. So in terms of PAO support, yes. In terms of actually bombing bad guys... not so much.

and France has taken the lead in Mali.
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France has taken the lead in Mali - which has pretty effectively tied up its' force projection capabilities.

They could sort Syria out and have the US provide logistics or something so the US can say it helped.
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They lack the ability to do this.
 
DaveFagan said:
We're in debt to China and Russia, not the other way around. We can only foreclose on Greece and maybe Cyprus. We owe everybody.
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:D Sort of. Remember the old saying about the difference between owing the bank a hundred dollars, and owing the bank a hundred million dollars? :mrgreen:
 
Coin said:
Like i said: Kosovo and Serbia were so different with Syria. Their difference is like black and white.
Kosovo people were not rebels/terrorists who wanted to take power or change regime. They were citizens in their own lands. And Serbia wanted to put them out of their own lands. The cases are so different.
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....If that argument is the best one that can be mustered in its case.... then implicitly it makes a fairly strong argument that the cases are not that terribly different.

No one knows yet who used the chemical weapons
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We do, actually. The Syrian government employed a portion of it's CW stockpile. Confirmed by the Intelligence Community here at home, and its' incidence confirmed independently by Doctors without Borders abroad.
 
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