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Should these teens be tried as adults

Should the 15 and 16 year old also be tried as adults

  • yes and throw away the key

    Votes: 72 87.8%
  • no, they deserve a second chance

    Votes: 10 12.2%

  • Total voters
    82
Nope. Your simplistic statement was based in ignorance in my opinion.

Not really, They are being charged with 1st Degree Murder as adults which can be punish with Capital Punishment. No ignorance to be seen. Just because you my not believe in it because of perosnal beliefs does not make people of different thinking arrogant. Oklahoma does use the Death Penalty
 
Not really, They are being charged with 1st Degree Murder as adults which can be punish with Capital Punishment. No ignorance to be seen. Just because you my not believe in it because of perosnal beliefs does not make people of different thinking arrogant. Oklahoma does use the Death Penalty

And here is a demonstration of ignorance. Juveniles can NOT be sentenced to death. It's illegal. You should know the FACTS before you speak of such things.
 
I can't see myself ever desiring the death penalty for any child under the age of 16. Do you think it's okay to execute mentally challenged people who commit a murder?

Depends. Execute Lenny because the tramp tricked him? Nope. Execute some retarded guy that walked into a house and killed some mom for a reason? Yes. I don't care if a person is sane or a mental screw-up. Guilty is guilty.

Yes, so? Just because an adult does a criminal act does not make it an adult behavior.

What is adult behaviour? I have never heard of anything like that. Is it a new thing?

What I don't like is that you are setting up kids with a special rule. A kid does something wrong and it's because they are a kid. But if they do right then they are acting like an adult? Makes no sense what-so-ever.
 
Not really, They are being charged with 1st Degree Murder as adults which can be punish with Capital Punishment. No ignorance to be seen. Just because you my not believe in it because of perosnal beliefs does not make people of different thinking arrogant. Oklahoma does use the Death Penalty

Minors are no longer subject to capital punishment. See 2005 SCOTUS decision regarding the matter...
 
Goodness! Just because an adult commits a crime does not classify it as a rational or an adult decision. LOL!

So what if it is adult like or not. It is a crime. An adult commits a crime. A kid commits a crime. Why is one that commits an irrational non-adult like action absolved of the same consequence then? I think that you are seriously convoluting your argument. Seriously...
 
I am against the death penalty, so... Listen or not, you forewarned.

Putting kids to death for crimes committed is not a punishment on the kid, it's a punishment on the parent. Kids haven't lived long enough to even fully understand what they are missing by having their lives cut short. They simply don't care, because they don't have any grounding or basis for comparison.


That said, we have judges, and pay them lots of money for a reason. This is a decision best left for a judge to decide on a case by case basis.
 
So what if it is adult like or not. It is a crime. An adult commits a crime. A kid commits a crime. Why is one that commits an irrational non-adult like action absolved of the same consequence then? I think that you are seriously convoluting your argument. Seriously...

I've posted plenty of material to back up my assertions. You?
 
Minors are no longer subject to capital punishment. See 2005 SCOTUS decision regarding the matter...

That will be challenged. Twenty states have juvenile death penalty laws and there are 30 or so kids sitting on death row in these states with laws still not complying to the SCOTUS decision.
 
That will be challenged. Twenty states have juvenile death penalty laws and there are 30 or so kids sitting on death row in these states with laws still not complying to the SCOTUS decision.

They sentence them AFTER they turn 18. Pretty slimy. Also, this decision was made in 2005. Eight years ago.
 
I've posted plenty of material to back up my assertions. You?

The material is biased and opinionated... there are no facts regarding this issue.
 
The material is biased and opinionated... there are no facts regarding this issue.

Most of it is not biased and opinionated. You just don't like the conclusions because you want to put kids to death.

The SC seemed to take this kind of information VERY seriously. The information and some of the scientific studies I posted are what the SC used to come to their decision to outlaw the DP for minors, based on it being cruel and unusual punishment.
 
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So what if it is adult like or not. It is a crime. An adult commits a crime. A kid commits a crime. Why is one that commits an irrational non-adult like action absolved of the same consequence then? I think that you are seriously convoluting your argument. Seriously...

Do you know anything about how the human brain evolves?
 
some of the people on this forum already have these young men convicted and are ready to execute them. I don't go along with that kind of thinking.


No one here is in a position of judgement of them. There are opinions expressed what the punishment should be if guilty with what is now known.
 
A young made a crime today and tomorrow is his 18th birthday.
He's not a kid.He ****ed up the system pretty well.

Basing the evaluation of a crime on the age is stupid imo.
I think for most circumstances we can give kids a break, like petty theft, drug use(but they should have to go into a rehabilitation program), and other smaller crimes that could be excused as misguided. For heinous crimes like rape, felonious assault, and murder the penalties must be harsh, and adult.
 
They sentence them AFTER they turn 18. Pretty slimy. Also, this decision was made in 2005. Eight years ago.

The Sentencing is irrelevant. It is when (age) they commit the crime that counts.
 
It is true. Educate yourself.

It is true because of red tape that is allowed to take place, it is false when leaving the red tape out it and another example of the fleecing of America
 
Here's a little more information about the newest information regarding the teen brain and what it's capable of generally.

New Findings on Youth Brain Development and Decision Making | Juvenile Justice Reform | Adolescent Substance Abuse Treatment | Reclaiming Futures

Major findings from the report include:

Brain development takes place in stages and is not fully complete in adolescence. The frontal lobe, tasked with decision making, planning, judgement, expression of emotions and impulse control may not be fully mature until the mid-20s.

The limbic system, which helps to process and manage emotion, is also developing during adolescence. This causes adolescents to experience more mood swings and impulsive behavior than adults.

Levels of dopamine production shift during adolescence. As a result, activities that once were exciting to youth may not be so as they enter adolescence, and thus they may seek excitement through increasingly risky behavior.

When adolescents make choices involving risk, they do not engage the higher-thinking, decision-and reward areas of the brain as much as adults do. This can lead adolescents to actually overstate rewards without fully evaluating the long-term consequences or risks involved in a situation.

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Reactions, rather than rational thought, come more from the amygdala, deep in the brain, than the frontal cortex, which led Yurgelun-Todd and other neuroscientists to suggest that an immature brain leads to impulsivity, or what researchers dub "risk-taking behavior." Although it was known from animal studies and brain-injured people that the frontal cortex matures more slowly than other brain strucures, it has only been with the advent of functional MRI that researchers have been able to study brain activity in normal children.

The brain scans used in these studies are a valuable tool for researchers. Never before have scientists been able to develop data banks of normal, healthy children. Outlining the changes in normal function and development will help researchers determine the causes of psychiatric disorders that afflict children and adolescents.
 
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Heck, the military has been aware of this fact for centuries based on just simple observations. Why do you think they recruit kids straight out of high school? LOL!
 
Most of it is not biased and opinionated. You just don't like the conclusions because you want to put kids to death.

The SC seemed to take this kind of information VERY seriously. The information and some of the scientific studies I posted are what the SC used to come to their decision to outlaw the DP for minors, based on it being cruel and unusual punishment.

No. The opinionated stuff is the stuff saying that it is OK or not OK to kill a kid based off of scientific evidence that is irrelevant to a crime. A crime is committed. People looking to give excuses to others use this evidence to make their point. I find it ridiculous. I also find the DP to be cruel and unusual ridiculous.
 
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