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Should these teens be tried as adults

Should the 15 and 16 year old also be tried as adults

  • yes and throw away the key

    Votes: 72 87.8%

  • no, they deserve a second chance

    Votes: 10 12.2%
  • Total voters
    82
lolabird said:
Undoubtedly a screenplay written by Quentin Tarantino with the stars to be announced later.
You are obviously a law scholar--not!
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Dude, I was just ****ing with you. Not one thing I typed is actually my opinion. Was bored. ;)

On the last note though, interestingly, I self-represented in Court twice and won both times. Very enlightening experiences as to the inner workings of the "justice system".
 
Mason66 said:
We are talking about Oklahoma, not California.

I know full well California is screwed up as a state.
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Well the link says "like many states."
 
Bodhisattva said:
Dude, I was just ****ing with you. Not one thing I typed is actually my opinion. Was bored. ;)

On the last note though, interestingly, I self-represented in Court twice and won both times. Very enlightening experiences as to the inner workings of the "justice system".
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I knew that. You didn't fool me at ALL! :mrgreen:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
:lol: :doh Yep. We see gov't "expert" employees fired for bad performance all the time. :roll:

Care to link to the last 10 DOJ officials fired for making bad decisions. A quick search turned up one such case in 2007.
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So contract a private company to do it.
 
molten_dragon said:
So contract a private company to do it.
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How quickly you admit that the gov't has rediculously lax personnel policies, yet the gov't (or public) would never permit private control of the release of prisoners given "indefinite" sentences.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Dude, I was just ****ing with you. Not one thing I typed is actually my opinion. Was bored. ;)

On the last note though, interestingly, I self-represented in Court twice and won both times. Very enlightening experiences as to the inner workings of the "justice system".
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I'm not a dude.
Congratulations on your monumental victories. Were you bored?
 
ChrisL said:
You are misunderstanding the data and the correlation I am making. The data states that because of those things, children and teens don't "process" their actions the same way that an adult does. A lot of times they act first and think about it later. These things and limitations are most definitely considered, as they should be, when sentencing a juvenile. They are NOT adults, and there are brain images that confirm this. Therefore, they are not capable of critical-thinking skills. They aren't retarded, but they don't have all the mental faculties that an adult has, so it is completely unfair to prosecute and sentence them as if they were adults.
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bull****. these "children" had plenty of time to "think about it" while they were planning their execution. you keep trying to paint these three turdballs as if they are just your average teenager and they are not.
 
ChrisL said:
Imagine being a 15-year-old in a prison full of adult men, mostly predators?
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maybe he should have imagined that before he murdered an innocent man.
 
ChrisL said:
It's about what's right and wrong. Executing kids is just wrong.
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I read some of your comments, Chris.
If you're serious, have you ever thought such sentimentality might contribute to the problem by obliquely excusing the actions and subsequently mitigating the punishment ... of which the perp is well aware and could contribute to his/her disregard for the consequences ... add to that his/her learned & self-taught hatred and you've got a volatile mix.
 
radcen said:
Imagine (unknowingly) innocently running down a street filled with predatory teens.
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Look, you are comparing the criminal mind with our government and us non-criminals. It's completely different to become a victim of a criminal than it is for our government to lock someone up behind bars and then kill them. It's crappy and I don't want my country killing it's citizens. You keep on saying that you aren't pro DP, yet keep making these comments.

Here is an real eye opener. MOST countries in the world have abolished the DP. Here is the list of countries where DP remains, and look at the company we're keeping. Proud?

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopia
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Somalia
South Sudan
Sudan
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Yemen
Zimbabwe


Read more: The Death Penalty Worldwide | Infoplease.com The Death Penalty Worldwide | Infoplease.com
 
OscarB63 said:
maybe he should have imagined that before he murdered an innocent man.
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Well there's the difference between juveniles and adults that I've been trying to make. They don't think about it a lot of times. Again, that's not an excuse for what they did, it's just recognizing that there is a difference between the way juveniles and adults process things.
 
OscarB63 said:
bull****. these "children" had plenty of time to "think about it" while they were planning their execution. you keep trying to paint these three turdballs as if they are just your average teenager and they are not.
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I am not trying to paint them as anything but minors, which they are. Besides, the death penalty has never been proven to be a deterrent. People who commit crimes like this don't think they'll be caught.
 
bubbabgone said:
I read some of your comments, Chris.
If you're serious, have you ever thought such sentimentality might contribute to the problem by obliquely excusing the actions and subsequently mitigating the punishment ... of which the perp is well aware and could contribute to his/her disregard for the consequences ... add to that his/her learned & self-taught hatred and you've got a volatile mix.
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Again, no because I don't think people who commit murders think they would be caught anyway.
 
ChrisL said:
I am not trying to paint them as anything but minors, which they are. Besides, the death penalty has never been proven to be a deterrent. People who commit crimes like this don't think they'll be caught.
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people who commit crimes like this are highly unlikely to be rehabilitated. and why the **** do you keep bringing up the death penalty? that is not what this thread is supposed to be about.
 
ChrisL said:
Again, no because I don't think people who commit murders think they would be caught anyway.
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that or they are socio/psychopaths and just don't give a rat's ass.
 
OscarB63 said:
people who commit crimes like this are highly unlikely to be rehabilitated. and why the **** do you keep bringing up the death penalty? that is not what this thread is supposed to be about.
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The experts claim otherwise.

Because people have been saying they'd like to see the kids put to death. That's why.
 
OscarB63 said:
that or they are socio/psychopaths and just don't give a rat's ass.
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Yeah, and that's for the experts to figure out, not you and others on an internet forum.
 
ChrisL said:
The experts claim otherwise.
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prove it. and I mean prove that the experts claim that people who commit CRIMES LIKE THIS can be rehabilitated and not some general study covering any and all crimes.

Because people have been saying they'd like to see the kids put to death. That's why.
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then kindly direct your death penalty comments to "those people" and not me.
 
ChrisL said:
Look, you are comparing the criminal mind with our government and us non-criminals. It's completely different to become a victim of a criminal than it is for our government to lock someone up behind bars and then kill them. It's crappy and I don't want my country killing it's citizens. You keep on saying that you aren't pro DP, yet keep making these comments.
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You need to step back and discern the difference between supporting a harsh punishment and supporting the DP. The post I was responding to this time, and my response, didn't even mention or imply the DP, yet here you are dragging it out again. In a previous post you said LWOP would be preferable. In a previous post... two, actually... I said LWOP would be preferable. Call me crazy, but it sounds like we agree on that part. :shrug: Where we are disagreeing is the degree of culpability.

This is the last time I will correct you on this point. I will continue to discuss culpability if I feel the need arises, and maybe even an appropriate punishment (LWOP!!!), but if you continue to be wrong in assigning me the DP angle you will have to be wrong on your own.

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