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Should these teens be tried as adults

Should the 15 and 16 year old also be tried as adults

  • yes and throw away the key

    Votes: 72 87.8%

  • no, they deserve a second chance

    Votes: 10 12.2%
  • Total voters
    82
ChrisL said:
Why should the 15 year old be tried as an adult? Because he was present when the shooting occurred?

Just because "the law says so" isn't good enough for me. What if the "law" says they're going to put restrictions on your second amendment rights? You gonna roll over and be okay with that too?
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He was present and as I said might be reformable however it would be a narrow reed that would be extended. If I could write the law I would have him go thru juvie detention and at 21 he would be out but would have a parole of at least 10 years hanging over his head for him to maintain good behavior.

A person should only be deprived of his right to own and bear a firearm after a fair trial shows he engaged in actions that would require it. I am of course against blanket bans against the citizenry.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You are wrong. A child is legally and actually a child by reason of their developmental progress toward adulthood. They must be tried as a child because they did what they did using a child's mind. Not possessing an adult mind, it is impossible for them to make adult decisions. Trying a child as an adult is an abominable misuse of the legal system. A desire for suitable revenge is not a valid reason to maltreat a minor.
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At what exact age does a child's mind turn into an adult mine? What exact day does this thing happen?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
At what exact age does a child's mind turn into an adult mine? What exact day does this thing happen?
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The last best work I heard put women at around 26 and men just under 29. Sounds about right I think.
 
ChrisL said:
It's murder, and premeditated too.
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Murdering someone is killing someone for self gratification or for no justifiable reason. Or do you consider someone shooting a child rapist in the act of raping a child murder? The Death Penalty has justifiable reasons and as such is not murder.
 
TiredOfLife said:
The last best work I heard put women at around 26 and men just under 29. Sounds about right I think.
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WOW, so until that late age you are not responsible for your childish actions? WTF That is the dumbest thing I ever read in this forum and that is saying something.
 
ChrisL said:
I never said that they shouldn't be punished did I? Quit making stupid comments.
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Answer the questions.

You wouldn't mind them living next door to you?
You'd let your kids hang out with them?
After all they're just "children", right?
 
Manc Skipper said:
You are wrong. A child is legally and actually a child by reason of their developmental progress toward adulthood. They must be tried as a child because they did what they did using a child's mind. Not possessing an adult mind, it is impossible for them to make adult decisions. Trying a child as an adult is an abominable misuse of the legal system. A desire for suitable revenge is not a valid reason to maltreat a minor.
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In which case biologically speaking a person is not an adult until thier brain stops developing. Generally in a persons mid to late 20's. And yet legally they are able to make what is considered adult decisions much younger than that. So thanks for proving my point. That point being that age does not determine whether someone can make an adult decision or not.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So choosing to kill someone "for no reason" is not an adult decision? Choosing to have sex is not an adult decision? Then what kind of decision is it? What would you tell your children in both cases?
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WTF dude!! As an adult would YOU decide to shoot someone jogging down the road in the back? I know I certainly wouldn't. It was a CHILDISH decision.
 
ChrisL said:
Death penalty is more expensive.
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that is what they say, but it isn't true

it is just like killing a rabid dog, you no longer have to feed, water, or give it shelter
 
P. Kersey said:
Answer the questions.

You wouldn't mind them living next door to you?
You'd let your kids hang out with them?
After all they're just "children", right?
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Don't tell me what to do. No I won't answer your retarded questions. They are stupid and irrelevant to anything I've said.
 
Rocketman said:
that is what they say, but it isn't true

it is just like killing a rabid dog, you no longer have to feed, water, or give it shelter
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It is true. Educate yourself.
 
ChrisL said:
Don't tell me what to do. No I won't answer your retarded questions. They are stupid and irrelevant to anything I've said.
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Name calling and dodging doesn't help your credibility.
 
Rocketman said:
that is what they say, but it isn't true

it is just like killing a rabid dog, you no longer have to feed, water, or give it shelter
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Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

California

Assessment of Costs by Judge Arthur Alarcon and Prof. Paula Mitchell (2011, updated 2012)

The authors concluded that the cost of the death penalty in California has totaled over $4 billion since 1978:

$1.94 billion--Pre-Trial and Trial Costs
$925 million--Automatic Appeals and State Habeas Corpus Petitions
$775 million--Federal Habeas Corpus Appeals
$1 billion--Costs of Incarceration
The authors calculated that, if the Governor commuted the sentences of those remaining on death row to life without parole, it would result in an immediate savings of $170 million per year, with a savings of $5 billion over the next 20 years.
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P. Kersey said:
Name calling and dodging doesn't help your credibility.
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I'm calling your QUESTIONS stupid, which they are, and asking dumb irrelevant questions doesn't help your credibility either newbie.
 
ChrisL said:
WTF dude!! As an adult would YOU decide to shoot someone jogging down the road in the back? I know I certainly wouldn't. It was a CHILDISH decision.
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Nope I wouldn't. But then I am making an adult decision not to. Just as I would be making an adult decision if I would. Now ask that same question of any other child that was the same age as the idiots that shot the guy in the OP. Would they make the same decision? No they wouldn't. Also an adult decision mind you. ;)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nope I wouldn't. But then I am making an adult decision not to. Just as I would be making an adult decision if I would. Now ask that same question of any other child that was the same age as the idiots that shot the guy in the OP. Would they make the same decision? No they wouldn't. Also an adult decision mind you. ;)
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An idiotic statement. If you make that decision, then you are no adult. NO adult I know would make such a decision, and like it or not 15 year olds are still kids, emotionally, mentally and a lot of times physically too.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
WOW, so until that late age you are not responsible for your childish actions? WTF That is the dumbest thing I ever read in this forum and that is saying something.
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It's science and I never discussed how to deal with their actions, simply that it takes a long time to become an adult. Stop jumping to conclusions, like a child.
 
ChrisL said:
I'm calling your QUESTIONS stupid, which they are, and asking dumb irrelevant questions doesn't help your credibility either newbie.
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Oh.."newbie"....That is a terrible blow I can only hope I'll be able to recover from eventually. You have really cut me to the quick. :roll:

You are funny! LMAO
 
ChrisL said:
An idiotic statement. If you make that decision, then you are no adult. NO adult I know would make such a decision, and like it or not 15 year olds are still kids, emotionally, mentally and a lot of times physically too.
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Of course no adults that you know would make such a decision. But then you also don't know the thousands of murderers in prison do you?

And I have never ONCE said that a 15 year old is not a kid. But I HAVE said that a 15 year old CAN make ADULT DECISIONS. Please get that right. I'm tired of saying it.
 
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