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Should these teens be tried as adults

Should the 15 and 16 year old also be tried as adults

  • yes and throw away the key

    Votes: 72 87.8%

  • no, they deserve a second chance

    Votes: 10 12.2%
  • Total voters
    82
Dubliner said:
Teenagers know enough not to murder. And if they don't realize that murder is wrong then they should not be with the rest of society.
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Knowing and doing are two separate things. It's why we call them teenagers not adults.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Vengeance is the most barbaric form of justice.
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How is killing a person who is guilty out of vengeance more barbaric than killing a person who is guilty because they forfeit their right to live in society...??
 
TiredOfLife said:
Knowing and doing are two separate things. It's why we call them teenagers not adults.
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When the majority of teens start murdering people you will have a point... til then though, you don't. Sorry.
 
TiredOfLife said:
No teenager knows fully what they are doing. We can't even get adults to that stage. That's the problem.
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That settles it... let's take murder off the books. It is free for all time folks!
 
ChrisL said:
You killed somebody, so now I'm going to kill you. Hmm. That doesn't sound like justice to me boys. :)
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its pest control
 
Bodhisattva said:
They should be put to death... tomorrow.
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Krhazy said:
You can't say that a fifteen year old doesn't understand that if they shoot someone in the back, there is a strong possibility they may die (or at least suffer extraordinary injury). 15 year olds are in high school. They are studying geometry and chemistry. They are more than capable of understanding that guns are not toys and that shooting someone for no reason means they are likely to be put away for life.

It's one thing if a kid robs somebody. Just because you fell into the wrong crowd and stole something doesn't mean you are incapable of becoming a responsible member of society without having to go through the prison experience. I'm sorry, if you shoot somebody in the back as a 15 year old, you need to be put in a mental institution and/or prison, because there is something seriously wrong with you.
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Yes, they understand the "concept." Sure.
 
Bodhisattva said:
When the majority of teens start murdering people you will have a point... til then though, you don't. Sorry.
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Most of them don't die driving and drinking or drop the bbay on its head either. It's a numbers game.
 
ChrisL said:
You killed somebody, so now I'm going to kill you. Hmm. That doesn't sound like justice to me boys. :)
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Why not? Some people forfeit their right to life by committing acts so egregious that the end result is the best course of action. Simple.
 
TiredOfLife said:
Knowing and doing are two separate things. It's why we call them teenagers not adults.
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What would you have happen to the shooter, assuming that all facts are as reported?
 
Dubliner said:
Well that sucks for the murdered person and his family/friends. There is no need to coddle people who kill for fun.
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Did you know that the DP extends the trial, and a lot of victims' families don't want it?

https://www.aclunc.org/issues/crimi...ims_speak_out_against_the_death_penalty.shtml

Despite enduring unimaginable, heartbreaking grief, the families of murder victims are choosing to speak out against the death penalty by sharing their most painful stories of loss.

Their experiences form part of a powerful new publication entitled “Voices from California Crime Victims for Alternatives to the Death Penalty,” a joint project of three organizations that are working to reframe the debate over the death penalty in California - Murder Victims’ Families for Reconciliation, Death Penalty Focus, and the ACLU-NC.

The death penalty solves nothing and may even perpetuate the suffering of the parents, children, or siblings left behind, the contributors to the booklet concur.

“Revenge is not justice,” says Lorrain Taylor, whose twin boys, Albade and Obadiah, aged 22, were murdered while working on their stalled car. Obadiah had plans to open his own barbershop, and Albade had just received a promotion at the law firm where he worked.

“Taking another person’s life does not stop violence,” says Taylor. “There’s a contradiction in responding to murder by executing people.”
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TiredOfLife said:
Most of them don't die driving and drinking or drop the bbay on its head either. It's a numbers game.
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You don't want non-adults to be tried as adults for murder, right? But you will allow for non-adults to drive and have babies knowing that it does result in death for some as well as difficulties and pain for many?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why not? Some people forfeit their right to life by committing acts so egregious that the end result is the best course of action. Simple.
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That must be, Right To Life*


* does not apply to those we deem unworthy.
 
Bodhisattva said:
How is killing a person who is guilty out of vengeance more barbaric than killing a person who is guilty because they forfeit their right to live in society...??
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Regaurdless of the Barbaric nature of the crime, we still have to go through the process of a trial by jury
 
sawyerloggingon said:
DUNCAN, Okla. (AP) — With the simplest of motives — breaking up the boredom of an Oklahoma summer — three teenagers followed an Australian collegiate baseball player who was attending school in the U.S. and killed him with a shot to the back for “the fun of it,” prosecutors said Tuesday as they charged two of the teens with murder.
As the boys appeared in an Oklahoma courtroom, a 17-year-old blurted out, “I pulled the trigger,” then wept after a judge told him that Tuesday’s hearing wasn’t the time or place to sort out the facts of the case.
Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys “thugs” as he told Stephens County Judge Jerry Herberger how Christopher Lane, 22, of Melbourne, died on a city street.
Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, of Duncan were charged with first-degree murder and, under Oklahoma law, will be tried as adults. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, of Duncan was accused of using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to first-degree murder after the fact. He is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court. 3 Teens Charged After Australian Player Slain « CBS Houston
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The 16 yo pulled the trigger, the 17 yo was the ringleader. They should be tried as adults. The 15 yo seems to have just "been there" as part of the crew. Based on what little information appears in the article, I'd support trying him as a juvenile.

I didn't vote because you don't have a separate option for my choice. :)
 
TiredOfLife said:
Tell me, does this this crime make sense to you? Of course it doesn't, you're an adult. It's not about wrong or right, it's about having a brain mature enough to hear that clearly though all the other noise in your head. Teens know what is right most of the time, they just aren't any good at doing it. For that you need maturity, which they lack and therefore we call them teens or kids.
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You are mistaken if you believe thrill drive-by shootings are limited to being done by people under age 18. In short, you have no point.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You don't want non-adults to be tried as adults for murder, right? But you will allow for non-adults to drive and have babies knowing that it does result in death for some as well as difficulties and pain for many?
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Allow? It's not my choice. To call someone an adult at 18 is an idiotic line in the sand. It's pure unscientific crap.
 
joko104 said:
You are mistaken if you believe thrill drive-by shootings are limited to being done by people under age 18. In short, you have no point.
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And why would I believe that?
 
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