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What is the most polarized political issue in the US?[W:30]

Which issue is the most polarized?

  • Gun control

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Abortion

    Votes: 12 41.4%

  • Gay Marriage

    Votes: 5 17.2%

  • Government spending/debt

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Immigration

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Healthcare

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • Total voters
    29
molten_dragon said:
If issues don't matter why is so much attention paid to them?
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There aren't. People hold ideological position X, they are told that their position is for issues A, B and C and against issues X, Y and Z. They rarely bother to think about any of those issues, they just vote the way they're told they're supposed to.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Wait wait wait now, hold on a minute there pardner...you stated categorically, explicitly, that there was no room in politics for the Abortion debate. Did you not? Of course you did, I have it posted/quoted above. That sir, to imply you wanted to debate, is just plain disingenuous... and what is more, was/is verified.

So, hardly how it went, now was it sir? As you dismissed it, without reasons as if it were just a universal truth, I asked you if you were in agreement with a Holocaust. Now, if you feel guilty about your views, not my fault.

Are you at all familiar with the amount of abortions that have been perpetrated in just this country since Roe? The Holocaust was minor in comparison. Over 50 million. So maybe you get the analogy... now?

And again, to summarily choose what the rest of the country does for the rest of us...and its not up for debate? That is just plain silliness. If you and your wife decided to kill your 5 year old daughter, nobody in the rest of the country should be able to say anything, that is just between you and your family? NO. Not how it goes, nor how it should go. The fact that a baby in the womb has separate DNA [distinctly individual at conception], is alive and growing, certainly is human cause the baby in the womb is certainly not a squirrel… well, you may think you and your family can decide to kill another American in such a cavalier manner, many of the rest of us are going to make it as hard as we can to murder others, whether the law admits its murder or not, right at this point.

We will finally come to our senses as a country and you are just out and out WRONG. So lets see you prove yourself capable of reasoned thought on the issue...or just want to dictate to the rest of us... or send just silly insults.
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It's none of your business. I get that you're as nosy as the day is long, and you've given yourself permission to be so. However, your opinion is meaningless. Women have always aborted, and they always will, and they don't give two ****s and a good goddamn WHAT you think.
 
Sykes said:
It's none of your business. I get that you're as nosy as the day is long, and you've given yourself permission to be so. However, your opinion is meaningless. Women have always aborted, and they always will, and they don't give two ****s and a good goddamn WHAT you think.
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Looks like somebody cared enough to post back nastily back, eh...??? And wrong, murder, and how to deal with murderers, is the business of a civilized society. Glad to inform. And you have a good day too. :lamo :peace :2wave:
 
You know what's really ****ed up, somehow in the land of magical partisan idiocy, the following totally unrelated issues became strongly correlated to each other:

Gun control, Abortion, Gay Marriage, Government spending/debt, Immigration, Healthcare

The most polarizing issue in America today: Stupid versus not ****ing stupid. Not ****ing stupid is losing badly.
 
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Stick to the topic, which is not other posters.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Issues no longer matter; it's ideology...
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I don't think you can separate the two. Because ideology is just a certain systematic way of dealing with issues.
 
I had to call it healthcare. Around here if you say you think Obamacare is a necessary step on our nations path to UHC, well, lets just say them's fighting words. Abortion not so much anymore.
 
obvious Child said:
I voted Healthcare, but that's wrong when I think about it.

Republicans are polarized against Obamacare as a whole, but love the vast bulk of it.

A better choice is abortion as Democrats are much more likely to support where Republicans, after purging Libertarians and moderates are against it.

I feel the rest of them aren't polarized as much as abortion is as there are plenty of gun right Democrats, several gun control Republicans, gay marriage is youth republicans and democrats against old republicans, spending everyone basically agrees on the framework, and immigration has plenty of democrats against it and several high profile republicans for it.
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To me, abortion has got to be the biggest NON-issue. I believe it is the biggest example of distraction. Those on the far right get led on a righteous crusade to ban it. Those on the far left get whipped into a frenzy of fear that it will be restricted or eliminated by those on the far right. And the party leaders use it to keep the fringes of their parties in line.

Viewed from the middle, I don't see abortion going anywhere in terms of significant changes, regardless of who is in office, so all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from both sides is just unwelcome noise.
 
radcen said:
To me, abortion has got to be the biggest NON-issue. I believe it is the biggest example of distraction. Those on the far right get led on a righteous crusade to ban it. Those on the far left get whipped into a frenzy of fear that it will be restricted or eliminated by those on the far right. And the party leaders use it to keep the fringes of their parties in line.
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But that doesn't mean it's not the most polarized issue. I think it's a wedge issue that the GOP, well, parts of it, doesn't care about it in actuality. They need it to drive voters. But that doesn't mean the views aren't extremely polarized.

Viewed from the middle, I don't see abortion going anywhere in terms of significant changes, regardless of who is in office, so all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from both sides is just unwelcome noise.
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That's true, but you asked for most polarized issue and IMO, that's the one issue that breaks so solidly down partisan lines.
 
obvious Child said:
But that doesn't mean it's not the most polarized issue. I think it's a wedge issue that the GOP, well, parts of it, doesn't care about it in actuality. They need it to drive voters. But that doesn't mean the views aren't extremely polarized.

That's true, but you asked for most polarized issue and IMO, that's the one issue that breaks so solidly down partisan lines.
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Fair point. Ya got me there. It can be polarizing and a non-issue at the same time.
 
radcen said:
Fair point. Ya got me there. It can be polarizing and a non-issue at the same time.
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Indeed. Bush drove the abortion vote in 2000 and then failed to do much about it. Same for gay marriage. Some issues are highly polarizing, but once a group gets into power riding it, they do nothing about it suggesting it's not a real issue.

The GOP IMO needs abortion to be an issue to bring out voters, but they also need abortion never to be resolved. Thus, it turns into a political tool that's a non-issue.
 
obvious Child said:
Indeed. Bush drove the abortion vote in 2000 and then failed to do much about it. Same for gay marriage. Some issues are highly polarizing, but once a group gets into power riding it, they do nothing about it suggesting it's not a real issue.

The GOP IMO needs abortion to be an issue to bring out voters, but they also need abortion never to be resolved. Thus, it turns into a political tool that's a non-issue.
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Love your post.
Been saying this for decades and usually I just get a confused look from people lol.

My belief is that the corporations that truly run the GOP do not care about abortion in the slightest.
It is merely a rallying cry. A tool. An instrument.
 
Painter said:
Love your post.
Been saying this for decades and usually I just get a confused look from people lol.

My belief is that the corporations that truly run the GOP do not care about abortion in the slightest.
It is merely a rallying cry. A tool. An instrument.
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I certainly don't think that corporations have anything to do with who runs the GOP. No more so than the corporatism being practiced on the LEFT side of aisle. Hello GM, Verizon, ATT. along with every other phone provider issuing Obamaphones. Then there are those corporations affectionately called Government Motors and Government Sachs for good reason. And Government Electric (GE) who seemed to get some really sweet deals provided them by the left on matters of green energy.

It's really unfortunate that abortion has become a litmus test. What the GOP does is uses its Social Conservative base (who often support big government through entitlements) by using abortion as a means to get their support. Most social conservatives fall for every sound good spending policy the federal government can come up with. If it sounds like it is a just and right thing to do, they vote for it not weighing its consequences on the freedoms of others or its constitutionality, but merely on emotion they support it. The legalization of abortion at the national level has always been a case of bad law. It should be no business of the Federal government on such issues. It should have always remained a state by state issue. Until folks get out of the mindset of an over powerful central government, the abuses will only continue to worsen on both sides of the aisle.
 
vesper said:
No more so than the corporatism being practiced on the LEFT side of aisle. Hello GM, Verizon, ATT. along with every other phone provider issuing Obamaphones.
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I do not blame you for thinking this. It is not only Republicans that think this, but also more than half of the Democrats too.
The falsehood campaign of the GOP has been very thorough and the term "Obamaphone" is rather catchy.
However, Not only are they very far from being "Obama Phones" but Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, had nothing to do with them what so ever.
In fact, the program originated under Ronald Reagan.

You might find this an interesting read:
The Obama Phone?
Or this:
Origin of

Anyhow, you wont prove to me that the GOP is not just a shill for the mega wealthy and takes on ideology it could care less about just to strengthen and rally its base, and I in turn will not prove to you that it is.
So, I wont bother trying.
But I thought I should enlighten you on something I CAN prove.
 
They know, but they have been repeating that lie so long they might actually believe it.
Painter said:
I do not blame you for thinking this. It is not only Republicans that think this, but also more than half of the Democrats too.
The falsehood campaign of the GOP has been very thorough and the term "Obamaphone" is rather catchy.
However, Not only are they very far from being "Obama Phones" but Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, had nothing to do with them what so ever.
In fact, the program originated under Ronald Reagan.

You might find this an interesting read:
The Obama Phone?
Or this:
Origin of

Anyhow, you wont prove to me that the GOP is not just a shill for the mega wealthy and takes on ideology it could care less about just to strengthen and rally its base, and I in turn will not prove to you that it is.
So, I wont bother trying.
But I thought I should enlighten you on something I CAN prove.
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all of them are related to each other and the right wing usually opposes all of them as far as l see

never abort your baby because he will be a good shooter ,hetero shooter who will always react to every obamacare .
 
Painter said:
I do not blame you for thinking this. It is not only Republicans that think this, but also more than half of the Democrats too.
The falsehood campaign of the GOP has been very thorough and the term "Obamaphone" is rather catchy.
However, Not only are they very far from being "Obama Phones" but Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, had nothing to do with them what so ever.
In fact, the program originated under Ronald Reagan.

You might find this an interesting read:
The Obama Phone?
Or this:
Origin of

Anyhow, you wont prove to me that the GOP is not just a shill for the mega wealthy and takes on ideology it could care less about just to strengthen and rally its base, and I in turn will not prove to you that it is.
So, I wont bother trying.
But I thought I should enlighten you on something I CAN prove.
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Yes I am well aware the phone legislation was passed under Reagan. Reagan had a Democrat Congress he had to work with so to look at this entitlement only under the president in charge is unfair unless you add to the equation the makeup of the Democratic Congress he was working with at that time. But just like all entitlement legislation, it is sold as the just and right thing to do but as the years go on, it is abused. Obama and the Democratic Congress he enjoyed for the first two years proved how such things can indeed get abused. The increase spending in Obamaphones is just one very small example.
 
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